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in the db it states the rhino best of cd issued as 70919
contains an alternate take.....what are the differences
between the 45/lp version, the alternate take version?
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Ed,
my copy of the Rhino best-of contains the hit version, so
Pat may need to re-check his, or there may be more than
one pressing.
Now, the alternate version is actually a re-recording
they did when they moved to DCP, which was United
Artists. It's one of the closest re-cuts i've ever
heard, so it actually does sound like an alternate take
from the same session.
So close in fact you have to go to the last verse to hear
some of the differences in inflections on some words, or
how he ends phrases. In the line "now you start to arch
your back" in the alternate version, he sings that line
similar to the others, but in the original End version he
sort of shouts that line with all the words as high
notes.
Anyways, the alternate version should only appear on any
of the EMI / CEMA collections that use the United
Artists/DCP masters.
Then of course they had to confuse matters further in the
60's, by re-cutting or using alternate takes for a few of
the DCP hits, for the stereo LP's. Very hard to get all
the 45 versions in one place.
Hope that helps!
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edtop40 wrote:
in the db it states the rhino best of cd
issued as 70919
contains an alternate take.....what are the differences
between the 45/lp version, the alternate take version?
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The Rhino stereo mix is a different take and, to my ears,
it sounds like an earlier one. The mono mix is a
marvelous performance by Anthony, he's much more into the
music in the hit take. The music tracks sound the same,
but the vocal is better in the mono mix.
GM
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Great. Now I have to find the mono 45.
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i just A/B'ed the vinyl mono 45 issued as end 1060 versus
the version on the rhino best of cd issued as 70919 and
they sound the same to me, except for the mono, stereo
differences....the vinyl 45 states a run time on the
label as 2:07 and does indeed run that length.....pat
where did you come up with the note below as the song
doesn't run 2:11 to contain any of your differences.....
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okay another one.
LITTLE ANTHONY and THE IMPERIALS 1964 GOIN' OUT OF MY
HEAD. since every version of this on CD is the stereo LP
version, the question begs to be asked: what's the diff
between LP and 45 version?
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The 45 and mono LP version of "Goin' Out Of My Head" are
a different vocal take than the stereo LP. The stereo LP
version also has "ooh" at 2:11 while the 45 version does
not.
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edtop40 wrote:
pat where did you come up with the note below as the song doesn't run 2:11 to contain any of your differences.....
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okay another one.
LITTLE ANTHONY and THE IMPERIALS 1964 GOIN' OUT OF MY
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Ed, the info you quoted from the other thread concerns the (2:11) "Goin' Out Of My Head" and not the (2:07) "Shimmy, Shimmy, Ko-Ko-Bop."
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Ok,
RE: Shimmy Shimmy Ko-Ko Bop (only)
I had to do some further testing because i have a history
with the song. And, no not just me as a kid singing
"Gimme Gimme Coco-Puffs! Gimme Gimme Puffs!" to the
tune....
:-)
It was that i first owned a vinyl Best-Of on United
Artists, and was fooled by the alternate version of this
song. (on the same record, the re-record of "Tears On My
Pillow" was quite easy to tell was not the original.)
Well eventually a friend heard it on one of my tapes in
the car and told me it was not the right one.
So i took one of my Roulette V/A comps with the hit
version in mono, and did a A/B comparison.
THAT was when i got to know the hit version quite well.
So as soon as i got the Rhino Best-Of i could hear it
contains the correct hit version. (At least mine does!)
Now, on the Rhino disc it is stereo and they left it 50's
style, wide 2-track stereo. His lead is hard left, and
the backing track is hard-right.
On some later CD's, Rhino and other labels narrowed the
channels. So for example on the Doo-Wop box, it is much
narrower, but the same hit version.
To verify these things, i simply do a 2-channel synch. It
may seem like a lot of work but i use software that makes
these things quite easy. I have to do synch-checks all
the time for projects.
I doubt anyone needs it, but if one wants here is the
demo mp3 file for the mono 45 synched with the Rhino Best
of.
To do this, the Rhino copy is first folded to mono, then
placed in the left channel. The mono 45 is playing in
the right channel.
Thank you Ed for providing the 45 dub for this:
http://www.4shared.com/mp3/CphOkfW8/Little_Anthony_-
_Shimmy_Shimmy.html
As a side note, when the stereo is folded to mono, to my
ears it is pretty much identical to the mono 45, even in
reverb. It's common to hear small differences, but in
this case i didn't.
Hope this helps!
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Gary Mack wrote:
The Rhino stereo mix is a different take and, to my ears,
it sounds like an earlier one. The mono mix is a
marvelous performance by Anthony, he's much more into the
music in the hit take. The music tracks sound the same,
but the vocal is better in the mono mix.
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Gary, can you please point out a place or two where the Rhino Best Of take sounds noticeably different to you. I've been comparing the takes on my End 45, the Rhino Best Of CD, and the Rhino Doo Wop Box, and they all sound like the same take to me.
It is possible that at some point this CD was remastered. In his review in A Guide To Oldies On Compact Disc, Mike Callahan states that the version on the Rhino Best Of CD is "not exactly the same vocal take", but he also says that the song listed as track 5 on the jacket is actually track 3 "with the others being pushed down a number". This is not the case with my copy. My copy states that track 3 is "So Much", track 4 is "The Diary", and track 5 is "It's Not For Me", and these do actually play as tracks 3, 4, and 5.
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Paul C wrote:
Gary Mack wrote:
The Rhino stereo mix
is a different take and, to my ears,
it sounds like an earlier one. The mono mix is a
marvelous performance by Anthony, he's much more into the
music in the hit take. The music tracks sound the same,
but the vocal is better in the mono mix.
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Gary, can you please point out a place or two where the
Rhino Best Of take sounds noticeably different to
you. I've been comparing the takes on my End 45, the
Rhino Best Of CD, and the Rhino Doo Wop
Box, and they all sound like the same take to me.
It is possible that at some point this CD was remastered.
In his review in A Guide To Oldies On Compact
Disc, Mike Callahan states that the version on the
Rhino Best Of CD is "not exactly the same vocal
take", but he also says that the song listed as track 5
on the jacket is actually track 3 "with the others being
pushed down a number". This is not the case with my copy.
My copy states that track 3 is "So Much", track 4 is "The
Diary", and track 5 is "It's Not For Me", and these do
actually play as tracks 3, 4, and 5.
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I can't point out any differences because there are none.
Thanks for asking me to check and please accept my
apology for confusing or misleading anyone. I, too,
misread the earlier post about an alternate version and,
having very recently done a needle drop of Shimmy
from a Roulette V/A LP after comparing it to the Rhino
Best of CD, I was "remembering" Anthony's vocal
sounding different. The Rhino Best CD - I have
the same one you do - has a poor, no punch mix of
Shimmy. The mix on the Rhino Doo Wop box is much
better, except the extremely bright top end makes my ears
hurt (and they're nearing retirement). I should add that
my disc dub runs 2:07, whereas the Rhinos run 2:12 and
2:11 respectively.
GM
Edited by Gary Mack on 02 June 2012 at 4:59pm
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