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Todd Ireland
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Pat:
It appears the 45 version of Elvis Presley's "I've Lost You" has a run time of 3:21. However, there are a number of CDs in the database where the song runs 3:29 and the accompanying comment simply states: (45 version). Do these 3:29 CD appearances actually run :08 longer than the 45? If so, then this is probably signficant enough to note in the database.
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Pat Downey
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I timed my commercial 45 of "I've Lost You" and it clocks in at (3:31) exactly as stated on the record label. Where did you come up with a time of (3:21)?
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Actually, I came up with the 3:21 run time based on your own database comments, Pat. There are currently two CDs in the database where "I've Lost You" runs 3:54 and contains the comment: (45 version but :33 longer than the 45). The math comes out to 3:21 as the basis for the 45 running time. I don't have a copy of the 45, but if you're now claiming it runs 3:31, then the database comment for the two CDs in question will need to be modified.
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Robert
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After checking both the long and the short versions of this song I am convinced that the entries noted as "45 vers" are actually not the 45 version, but are early fades of the LP in an unsuccessful attempt to create the 45. Would the long version, then, be an LP Version? The actual 45 edit removes appx 2:46.464-3:12.082. However, there are chorus overdubs that are missing on the stereo version, so the 45-edit cannot be made from the longer version. My (mono)45 times at 3:28. This correct 45 version does appear on the vinyl "Other Sides" but I don't have the CD to determine whether it's there, too. Hope this all helps.
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Robert, after listening to the long and short studio versions of "I've Lost You" that appear on cd here is what I come up with. The (3:54) versions appear to be the same vocal take as the 45, but those versions are longer and missing some overdubs found on the 45. Now as far as an "LP version" goes, this song first appeared on vinyl in a studio recording on "The Other Sides - Worldwide Gold Award Hits Volume 2" where it runs (3:29) and when I compare this version to the 45, I find only slight mix differences so I can't really say there is an LP version but I would agree there is an LP mix and a 45 mix.
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Pat, I agree that both are the same vocal take, and that the long version is missing the overdubs, but the 45 version edits out the repeat of the final verse. In other words, on the 45 there is only one instrumental bridge at the end while there are two on the 3:54 version. It is the first of these two that are removed from the 3:54 version to make the 3:29 45 version. I have created this edit and it works well - except for the overdubs and the slightly different mix. And I'm pretty sure that the 3:29 45s that are listed in the DB are the 3:54 version that fades after the first of the two repeats instead of editing out the first one. Be glad to send you an mp3 if it would help.
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Forgot to add... it is the 45 version that appears on the vinyl "The Other Sides." I don't have the CD, but it should be easy to compare the 45 with the LP version. If the CD version of the CD is identical to the vinyl version, then that would be the only appearance of the 45 that I'm aware of. My vinyl LP version is in mono, as is the 45.
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Robert what do you hear on the 45 that you do not hear on any of the cd's that now say LP mix with LP mix meaning what appears on "Worldwide Gold Award Hits Volume 2" or any other cd's where I specify LP mix?
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Pat, the LP version (From my "Heart & Soul" CD) contains an extra "I've Lost You Yes I've Lost You" refrain.
There is an instrumental bridge (w/piano and what sounds like an oboe) from 2:36-2:48, then a repeat of "I've Lost You Yes I've Lost You." Then at 3:03 there is another instrumental bridge, followed by another "I've Lost You" refrain, and then yet another instrumental bridge at 3:28, followed by the refrain fadeout. If you remove the 2nd "I've Lost You" starting at the drum beat at 2:46 and connecting up with the drumbeat at the end of the next instrumental bridge at 3:12, you'll have it.
So to answer your question, there is another vocal refrain and instrumental bridge in the LP version and that's why it times out to 3:54 instead of 3:29. You mentioned that this 3:54 version has appeared on "Other Sides." If that's the case, then they switched versions when they released the CD because my vinyl version of "Other Sides" contains the mono 45 (3:29) version. Hope this helps.
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Robert you keep coming back to this (3:54) LP version and this (3:54) version never appeared on a vinyl LP that I am aware of and is missing overdubs. I understand the differences you are pointing out between that (3:54) version and what was released on 45. But the "LP version" is not this version you keep referencing, the LP verion or "mix" as I state comes from the vinyl LP "Worldwide Gold Award Hits Volume 2" and to me this version is almost identical to the vinyl 45 with the exception of a few minor mix differences. What I am asking is what differences do you hear between the "Worldwide Gold Award Hits volume 2" version and the vinyl 45?
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Pat, you've cleared up one thing: my reference to the 3:54 version as an LP version was just an assumption on my part. I was unaware that the 3:54 version was a newer mix and not the LP mix. That answers my earlier question of which version appeared on the CD.
So what you're saying is that the true LP version is not the 3:54 version that's referred to on the DB. And that it has appeared only on the vinyl version of "Worldwide Gold Award Hits Volume 2." That makes sense.
As for the differences between the vinyl (LP) version and the 45, I agree they are minimal. I do think that the 45 has chorus overdubs that the LP version doesn't have right at the end. The only thing that needs to be clarified is whether the 45 version has appeared on CD. My ears still tell me that the ones listed in the DB as 45 versions are the 3:54 version faded early.
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i just compared the vinyl 45 to the essential 70's cd and
they sound the same to me....except the mono/stereo
differences.....in the db the entry for the esential 70's
cd is noted as the 'lp mix'....so the 'lp mix' is the same
as the '45 version'?.....any help would be welcomed...
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Ed I have determied that the cd version of "The Other
Sides - Worlwide Gold Award Hits Volume 2" does not contain the same version of "I've Lost You" as the vinyl LP release of the same title. Hence I had to change a lot of comments in the database as the 45 version has yet to appear on compact disc. The Essential 70's cd that you mentioned above does not contain the 45 version.
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