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I do believe that the version that's on all the CDs listed is an alternate stereo version; or at least an alternate vocal track. There are numerous differences, the first at :27 ("... so darling press me to your heart...") where the word "me" is held just a bit longer on the stereo version. Another is at 1:38 ("...cause that's all I ever want to know...") where the entire line is in the same note in the stereo version - not on the 45. Anyway, this discrep isn't even close. I haven't seen the 45 version anywhere on CD. Pat? Anyone else?
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Robert, I have the original 45 but the problem I am having is the stereo versions of this song are mixed so poorly that I can't get a good solid vocal track from the cd's to compare against. I have an mp3 of the vinyl 45 version that I can send to anyone that wishes to make a comparison of their owm.
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Pat can you please shoot off a copy of the mono 45 dub to me? My email is Tomd1685@hotmail.com.
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Thanks, Pat. There are absolutely at least a few small differences in the vocals, and i suspect that one or the other was likely edited from multiple takes because there are a few small sections that do stay in sync (both music-wise and vocals) and others that do not (even in the music section, likely due to editing being done). It is definitely enough to give the stereo mix an "alternate take" designation.
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I believe with absolute certainty that one or the other versions has to be spliced from at least two takes, because as i started syncing the song together in 3 to 6 second sections, up to a certain point in the song i had to keep speeding up the 45 dub Pat supplied me with, and then after that, I had to start speeding up the dub from the Tommy Edwards cd on ERIC. However, in syncing the two versions together, I have concluded that neither the vocals nor the music is the same throughout both versions of the song (not saying there arent portions that ARE the same, just that there are some obvious differences in both music and vocals). There is definitely an extra drumbeat at 2:05 in the 45 version of the song that is not present in the stereo version.
Mp3 of my sync downloadable here for your listening, right click and save as. Listen through headphones....
Tommy Edwards - Love Is All You Sync
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I forgot to mention.... pat's 45 dub is in the right channel and a mono fold-down of the 2-track stereo mix from the ERIC cd is in the left channel of my sync mp3, the end didnt sync right for me but i did the sync in an hour and didnt have time to perfect it before i had to leave for the evening.
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hummm. while i agree they are different in some sections of the song and the same in others, my idea of an "alternate take" is a different recording done at the same or near session as the "hit" (i.e., Take 1, Take 2 are completely different, like in the movies too!). I think "alternate take" is a bit too strong here. Perhaps "alternate version". Or, is it the "stereo LP version"? When did the stereo first appear?
UPDATE (later than evening...).
According to Mike Callahan's BSN website, his MGM discography, "Love Is All We Need" appeared on a stereo single (SK-50104 It's All In The Game/Love Is All We Need) and LP (SE-3732 - It's All in the Game) both in 1958. I would therefore suggest "stereo version" or "stereo LP version" for this stereo version.
Edited by davidclark on 10 July 2007 at 4:45pm
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But is the wretched stereo version that is appearing on cd the same stereo version that appeared on the vinyl LP in 1958?
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good point, Pat. We would need to verify that.
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davidclark wrote:
hummm. while i agree they are different in some sections of the song and the same in others, my idea of an "alternate take" is a different recording done at the same or near session as the "hit" (i.e., Take 1, Take 2 are completely different, like in the movies too!). I think "alternate take" is a bit too strong here. Perhaps "alternate version". Or, is it the "stereo LP version"? When did the stereo first appear?
UPDATE (later than evening...).
According to Mike Callahan's BSN website, his MGM discography, "Love Is All We Need" appeared on a stereo single (SK-50104 It's All In The Game/Love Is All We Need) and LP (SE-3732 - It's All in the Game) both in 1958. I would therefore suggest "stereo version" or "stereo LP version" for this stereo version. |
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My belief is that, say, the stereo mix was one complete take, while the mono version was edited from several different takes....that did NOT use the same backing track throughout as there is a little bit of different instrumentation (for all we know, they're two complete takes, one mono one stereo, that just happen to be very similar, why would they make an edit in the tapes to add in a drumbeat or change the way two words are pronounced?). Since the MGM multitracks were destroyed in a fire with remaining tapes thrown out in 1973, it is very likely that the stereo version is the definitive MGM stereo version from the original stereo 45 and lp. The whole song sounds like an alternate take to my ears but i'm sure it would be just as easy to call it a stereo album version with alternate vocal or music portions in various sections of the recording, but that seems like too much of a description to me....calling it an alternate take seems better...
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to throw more at this...i should have added to my post that I use "alternate take" when the particular version appears "later", i.e., a year or more after the hit. And, it is from the same or near session. A prime example of this is what I've learned to be the stereo alternate take of Del Shannon - Runaway. The stereo being done at the same session (first, reportedly), then appearing later on an LP.
[I use "remake" when the hole song is redone in the same style as the original, as is the case with Pat Boone's early hits and "re-recording" when it is a totally different style (like "The Twist" on BB Top RnR Hits 1960), possibly not even involving the entire band].
In the case of "Love Is All We Need", if we determine that the stereo LP was out at the same time and contained the version we are discussing, then as per Pat's usual labeling, it would be "stereo LP version", no?
i know i know...talk about being "meticulous"
Edited by davidclark on 11 July 2007 at 10:20am
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Well, wouldn't Del Shannon's Runaway be "stereo LP version" then too? I think it's probably best to just call this one an alternate take....or "stereo lp version that incorporates sections of an alternate take".....this gets confusing after a while...
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(last post on this...i promise!)
I do know that the stereo "Runaway" appeared on the 1963 stereo LP "Little Town Flirt" (which has been re-issued on CD), since it was 2 years later I use "alternate take" for it, however I don't know if the 1961 stereo LP "Runaway with Del Shannon" contained the mono hit 45 "Runaway" or the stereo alternate. If the latter, then I'd tend to "stereo LP version". just my craziness in song labelling.
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The only stereo mix of Runaway is the alternate version which, since only two were recorded, was actually the first take. I don't know what happened to the session reel, but even the Big Top stereo releases of Runaway used take one. How do I know? Del Shannon was interviewed many times and mentioned that the first attempt wasn't right in several ways. The second take just nailed it, so they were done.
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For what it's worth, iTunes has the 45 version (from an obviously vinyl
source) of "Love Is All We Need". It's on a suspicious-looking CD simply
called Tommy Edwards (2007, 2006 Warwick Records). All the cuts are
from vinyl, and in mono. Better to have a decent vinyl copy of the 45 version
than no version at all.
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Bumping this one back up... Did anyone ever make a final determination as to whether the stereo "alternate take" of Tommy Edwards' "Love Is All We Need" is the same version that appeared on the stereo It's All in the Game vinyl LP in 1958? If it is, then I'd argue that "stereo LP version" or even a simple "LP version" comment (if mono LP pressings don't exist) would be more appropriate for these stereo CD appearances. (By the way, the stereo 45 of "Love Is All We Need" which has "It's All in the Game" as the B-side appears to be a later reissue and therefore probably shouldn't figure into the equation here.)
Edited by Todd Ireland on 27 December 2011 at 3:53pm
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Todd, the stereo 45 of It's All In The Game b/w Love Is All We Need was first issued on MGM SK 50104 in 1958. Unfortunately I don't own it....but in the years since this thread first started, I've really started to get into Tommy's music and have a lot of 45's by him now. My 1970's reissue of It's All In The Game b/w Love Is All We Need actually uses the original mono stampers for both sides.
Since I'm not a big LP person, I don't have the It's All In The Game album, but I would pick it up if I saw it in passing (and yes, a mono pressing does exist of it, per ebay).
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