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jimct
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Posted: 28 May 2006 at 4:57am \| IP Logged

I'm sure this has been looked at before, but THE sharpest-eared audio expert I have EVER known becomes violently ill whenever I play any (4:31) stereo CD version of this song. Because of the soft intro, the wide stereo, etc., my eagle-eared colleague says that although it's likely the same take and the same note-for-note recording, the stereo version "seems to have no electricity to it at all." He says the compressed (4:31) mono mix does away with ALL the soft parts, and gives the song a noticably different feel. I was skeptical, but after listening, to my surprise I now agree with his analysis wholeheartedly! To me, the song's beginning is boosted way up; every note sounds MUCH hotter on the 45, and the song's classic last note is MUCH louder on the 45. IMHO, this song is the poster child for HOW much the same recording can have it's ENTIRE feel and personality substantially altered when a quality mixing engineer skillfully "strengthened" a song in preparation for 1968 AM radio airplay and 45 release.

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Posted: 28 May 2006 at 11:23am \| IP Logged

The reverb levels and 'placement' are much better articulated on the 45 mono mix also.

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Posted: 28 May 2006 at 2:51pm \| IP Logged

It's the same recording, but the poor stereo mix has way too much reverb added. It sounds terrible, and I refuse to ever play it. I prefer either the mono single or the edited mono radio promo.

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Posted: 31 May 2006 at 5:28am \| IP Logged

so is the mono version available on CD? There is an "e" version...

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Posted: 31 May 2006 at 8:56am \| IP Logged

davidclark wrote:

so is the mono version available on CD? There is an "e" version...

Not to my knowledge. There is a rechanneled version on a budget Capital SM CD, but it's not right.

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Posted: 27 February 2008 at 1:20pm \| IP Logged

With the recent passing of Larry Norman, this song came to mind. I have the mono single at 4:32, was looking to find a copy of the 2:43 mono single edit to recreate. Have checked all sources (eBay, Gemm, Musicstack) and no luck.

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Posted: 27 February 2008 at 5:44pm \| IP Logged

The promo edit cannot be created from the commercial version. The sustained piano note at the end is different, and fades faster than the one on the promo edit. I'm guessing that note was from another take of the song.

I have the promo single if you're interested.

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Posted: 27 February 2008 at 5:47pm \| IP Logged

eriejwg wrote:

...was looking to find a copy of the 2:43 mono single edit to recreate.

Hykker's right, you won't be able to recreate it. The 2:43 mono promo is a unique mix. The flip of the promo 45 features the differently-mixed 4:37 version also found on the mono commercial 45. And I agree heartily with the initial post: the reverb-o-matic stereo LP/CD mix is just awful.

I have a studio copy from one of the stations I worked at that I cleaned up, but I do look periodically for a clean copy. However, the prospect of searching for either "I Love You" or "People" on gemm becomes an all-day ordeal. It was while googling for this particular 45 a few months back that led me to this board.

Also saddened to hear of Phil Gernhard's passing.

Edited by Yah Shure on 27 February 2008 at 6:15pm

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Hykker was very kind to send me a copy of his promo to listen to. Thank you!

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Posted: 29 February 2008 at 5:43am \| IP Logged

If anything, the mono mix is more dynamic.

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Yah Shure wrote:

I have a studio copy from one of the stations I worked at that I cleaned up, but I do look periodically for a clean copy. However, the prospect of searching for either "I Love You" or "People" on gemm becomes an all-day ordeal.

I can see how those two searches would yield a long list of results; however, you might find that an "Advanced Search" (found at the top of the page), where you can search for BOTH the artist and title, will significantly slim down the list. ;)

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Posted: 10 March 2008 at 2:20pm \| IP Logged

I have a copy of this song on the CD "Flower Power-Hits of the 60's" (CDLL-57271)that is mono and runs about 4:33. Those anyone know if this is the same as the Promo 45?

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randyrelix wrote:

I have a copy of this song on the CD "Flower Power-Hits of the 60's" (CDLL-57271)that is mono and runs about 4:33. Those anyone know if this is the same as the Promo 45?

Sounds like the commercial 45 version. The promo runs 2:43, has the long psychedelic intro edited off. There are also some edits in the body of the song.
AFAIK, the promo version has never been commercially released.

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randyrelix wrote:

I have a copy of this song on the CD "Flower Power-Hits of the 60's" (CDLL-57271)that is mono and runs about 4:33. Those anyone know if this is the same as the Promo 45?

The version on that CD is not the actual mono mix.

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Posted: 13 March 2008 at 12:20am \| IP Logged

Hits Man:

When you say the mono version of "I Love You" on the Flower Power CD is not the actual mono mix, are you saying this disc contains an alternate take or a re-recording? Can you please elaborate?

Edited by Todd Ireland on 13 March 2008 at 12:21am

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Posted: 13 March 2008 at 1:29am \| IP Logged

Todd Ireland wrote:

Actually, I believe that cd contains a mono fold down of the stereo LP version, rather than the actual 45 mix.

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Posted: 15 March 2008 at 9:37pm \| IP Logged

I just purchased a copy of the Capitol commercial 45 and it sounds the same as the cut on the CD. I may be wrong. I'll have to listen again. Also, the Capitol 45 list the running time as 4:37, but is actually 4:32. Just to clarify, are these the 3 versions of the single or are there more? 1. The LP stereo cut (echo) 2. the 45 version (mono at 4:32) and 3. the short (2:43) version from the promo 45. Concerning the long mono version, is there a difference between the commercial 45 and the promo 45?

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randyrelix wrote:

Just to clarify, are these the 3 versions of the single or are there more? 1. The LP stereo cut (echo) 2. the 45 version (mono at 4:32) and 3. the short (2:43) version from the promo 45. Concerning the long mono version, is there a difference between the commercial 45 and the promo 45?

There were only two mixes used for the single, not three. The stereo LP cut was never issued on 45 as either a promo or stock Capitol 2078. To summarize, three different mixes of the song were done in 1968. In order from the least amount of reverb to the most:

1. The 2:43 mono mix on one side of the Capitol promo 45. Has never been issued commercially.

2. The 4:37 mono mix found on the flip side of the Capitol promo 45 and the Capitol commercial 45 (including the '80s-era Capitol Star Line reissue 45.) So to answer your question, no, there is no difference between the long mono 45 mix on the promo and stock copies.

3. The Capitol stereo LP mix.

Any subsequent fold-downs of the stereo LP mix to either mono or rechanneled stereo will contain more reverb than the 4:37 mono 45 mix.

Edited by Yah Shure on 16 March 2008 at 9:57am

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Posted: 16 March 2008 at 12:35pm \| IP Logged

Thanks for the information. That answers my question.

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Posted: 13 August 2008 at 7:21pm \| IP Logged

There is an (E) version on the Larry Norman CD "Rebel Poet, Jukebox Balladeer: The Anthology" on the Arena Recording Company and the catalog number is 57 released on May 27, 2008. The timing is 3:37. This is almost a minute shorter than the single, but about a minute longer than the radio edit and there is some distortion.

Edited by BradOlson on 13 August 2008 at 7:22pm

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