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Bill Cahill
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I finally have a copy of the DJ edit of this song and can summarize my own findings:
The electronically rechanneled versions of "I Love You" on "Flower Power" and the K-Tel "Battle of the Bands" sound like the full length mono side of my DJ copy, except they've had the bass/treble filtering done to it to make fake stereo. If you sum these recordings they match the DJ long side to my ear. There might be a little reverb added for more fake stereo effect but I'm not sure about that, it sounds pretty close to the long mono version to me.
Frankly on first listen of these I might doubt it was the original 45, because I remember hearing the edited remix on the radio.
I agree with all of Yah Sure's analysis.
Outside of the obvious editing, here's everything different that I can documment on the short DJ side's mix.
There are two organs on this recording, the main one that is the upfront organ, that is heard upfront on the organ solo, and a second one, which is mixed low on the mono versions (brought up a bit for the organ solo) but is ridiculously loud through the entire song on the stereo version, and is a complete distraction.
Here's a key difference between the long and short mono mixes:
On the long DJ mono version, (and I'm assuming stock copy)this second organ is heard low under the guitar hits playing in unison with the guitar in the sections where they sing "I shouldn't hide, my love deep inside" (both times) Again it's ridiculously loud on the stereo mix.
However, the DJ edit almost totally eliminates this second organ on those verses, (I don't hear it at all on the second go round, but it might be there VERY low to be felt, not heard) leaving the guitar hits by themselves, giving the song more "punch".
Also, everytime they sing "And I don't know what to say", the long mono version dips significantly in level.(As does the stereo version as it's in one channel) The short DJ copy mixes those parts upfront to full level every time. Again, giving the song more punch.
In general the levels on everything are more even on the short DJ version, and I believe it's slightly more compressed.
On the song's last note, the long mono DJ version dips in level significantly and has very little of that second organ on the final note.
On the DJ short version, they mixed up that second organ on that last note, and raised the volume up to the rest of the song's level to to give the ending more punch.
There may be more differences, but that's what I can determine.
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That Stereo LP version to me sounds phasey and lacks coherence and focus. The mono 45 is so much superior, it is unreal. And that annoying excessive reverb is gone. A note, StarLine reissues early on might have been in mono, but the late ones are that annoying Stereo mix. Weird for Capitol, they were good at keeping their reissues correct as a rule to the original singles. The short 45 version on the DJ Promo single is unique, can not be recreated.
Edited by KentT on 05 June 2011 at 6:11am
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KentT wrote:
| StarLine reissues early on might have been in mono, but the late ones are that annoying Stereo mix. Weird for Capitol, they were good at keeping their reissues correct as a rule to the original singles. |
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Did the "I Love You"/"Nobody But Me" (Human Beinz) Starline reissue even make it to the '90s colorband label? I bought this Specialty-pressed purple Starline copy in the mid-'90s when my neighborhood record store began to significantly jack up the price of some of the Starline reissues as they went out of print. Both sides of my purple label Starline are mono.
Bill: Thanks for the added input!
Edited by Yah Shure on 05 June 2011 at 9:03am
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I saw some with Stereo labels which were Blue. I'll get myself one (they're less than $2 in near mint) and play it and see what I get. Thanks for giving me some reference to the era of Starline single you own. I have seen Purple label Starlines and Rainbow labels of this title. It was available to the end of vinyl 45 issues.
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KentT wrote:
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I can think of a couple other Starline singles that used the album versions: Joe South's "Games People Play" and "Long Long Time"-Linda Ronstadt. I have both of these on the early 70s target reissues, so the incorrect versions go back to when these were initially released. Likewise "Ramblin' Gamblin' Man" is (E) on the Starline.
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I managed to significantly reduce the amount of echo in the stereo mix. It seem the sound engineer widened the stereo & in the process, in came the echo. If you reduce the stereo effect (I used Nero) to about 25%-30%, the vocals come out considerably & sounds far superior. If anyone is interested on what I did, feel free to PM me for a review. It's not quite perfect, merely an attempt on making an edited stereo version sound tolerable.
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Narrowing the stereo should be easy to do in a program like
Audition. but, i'd rather just use the mono mix and be
done with it.
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