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I've got a copy of this track that runs 4:07, while Pat's book states that DJ copies of "Nikita" run 3:59. I'm guessing I either have an unsuccesful attempt at re-creating the DJ edit, or the label of the DJ 45 is incorrectly timed. Can anyone with the DJ 45 please let me know if it actually runs 3:59?
It may also be a case that I have the DJ edit, but it's not faded out soon enough. At the end of the song on my CD, the line that repeats "Counting ten tin soldiers in a row" first starts at 3:33 and repeats to the fade out at 4:07. Does this match up?
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| Posted: 19 June 2005 at 3:46pm | IP Logged
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A friend of mine has the DJ 45... The actual run time is 4:07.
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Pat:
It appears the database was never updated with Aaron's info regarding the short DJ 45 edit of Elton John's "Nikita" where the actual run time is 4:07, not 3:59 as stated on the record label.
One other minor note... The database also presently notes that commercial copies are all 4:54. This is probably an instance where the time is based on what is printed on the record label because abagon reports the actual run time at 4:52.
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For those wondering, the short DJ 45 is one simple edit.
Keep 00:00-03:01.129
Delete 03:01.129-04:35.429
Keep 4:35.429 to the end.
Resulting file runs 4:07.
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Todd: I believe commercial copies run 5:42.
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I have the 7" promo copy of this; one side is shown as 4:54 (U.K edit) the other side as 3:59 (U.S. edit). I also have a 12" promo; one side has the 4:54 U.K. edit, the other side is 5:42 (LP version). All timings are as listed on the label.
From what I recall there was an instrumental bridge that was on the U.K. & LP versions that was edited from the "U.S. edit". The LP version is similar to the U.K. edit, only with a longer intro (and maybe longer fade).
IIRC, the U.K. edit was what was on the "To Be Continued" box set. I don't have a copy of the commercial 45.
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BTW, source file I used was from Greatest Hits 1970-2002. Edit from just before the drumbeat where Elton sings "Nikita I Need You So..." at 3:01 to the same at 4:34.
I like dem easy edits!
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eriejwg wrote:
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No... Unless you have a different commercial 45 pressing, John, the correct 45 time is 4:52. You may be confusing the 5:42 time with the LP version length.
Edited by Todd Ireland on 07 September 2008 at 3:52pm
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Yes, correct, 5:42 is the LP, as my edit points for the DJ edit indicate.
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I'm not doing something right here.
I started with the LP version.
I took out 0:05 - 0:16.
I took out 2:48 - 3:10.
I took out 4:37 - 4:48.
At this point, I had created the single edit (with perhaps a bit too long of a fade at the end).
When I then try to take out 3:01 - 4:35, editing at the down-beat before "...need you so..." I actually take 2:35 to 3:47...
...resulting in a BIZARRE jump in volume, and a file only 3:48 in length, & that's with some un-trimmed silence at the end.
Are you telling me the short DJ edit DOESN'T edit the intro?
I'm really scratching my head on this one.
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FOLLOW-UP: going back to the full-length album version, your edit point works perfectly.
That's the 1st time I can remember a shorter edit leaving more of the intro!
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Having a little difficulty recreating the US commercial 45 from the album version. It sounds like there are just four (4) beats, or about 2-1/4 seconds of audio, in the 45 version that aren't in the LP version.
First, my 45 is Geffen 7-28800, printed 4:54 (no designation of LP version, edit, or anything like that), actual 4:53, 86.6 BPM before 2:50, 86.4 BPM after 2:50. The matrix number has a "B" scratched out and an "A" written after. (Same as one side of the promo 45? Hmmm.)
I chose to use the LP version from the To Be Continued box set. My very old notes indicate that the version on GH 1976-1986 is a differently EQ'd digital clone of both To Be Continued and GH 3, for what it's worth. All three sound good. The To Be Continued version runs 5:42, 86.6 BPM before 3:40, 86.5 BPM after 3:40.
Here are editing instructions that will get you really, really close to the commercial 45 version:
Keep the first 8 beats from 0:00.0 to 0:06.0.
Edit on downbeat.
Remove the 16 beats from 0:06.0 to 0:17.1.
Keep the 235 beats from 0:17.1 to 2:59.9.
Edit on the snare at the repeat of the words "hold you".
Remove the 32 beats from 2:59.9 to 3:22.0.
You'll pick up with the repeat of the words "oh no".
Keep the 153 beats from 3:22.0 to 5:08.1.
Edit on the downbeat right before the word "counting".
Then there's a problem - the four beats that include the line "counting ten tin soldiers in a r...", downbeat-to-downbeat, aren't in the LP version. You can hear it most clearly in the bassline, which is playing more notes on the 45 during the end of the 4-beat passage.
The corresponding 4-beat passage should be in the LP version either from 5:08.1 to 5:10.9, or from 5:19.2 to 5:22.0, but it's not. Actually, the 4-beat portion from 5:08.1 to 5:10.9 is repeated at 5:19.2 to 5:22.0 (you can line them up, invert one and get digital cancellation!), which is a nuisance. Unless you're a stickler for having the proper bass notes, you can use either 5:08.1 to 5:10.9 or 5:19.2 to 5:22.0 here, since they're the same, and they're pretty close to what ended up in the 45.
For reference, the 4-beat portion in the 45 that's not in the LP is from 4:34.9 to 4:37.7 of my 45.
Assuming that you've gotten past the 4-beat issue (either by ignoring the extra bass notes that are missing from the LP version or by grabbing the audio from the 45)...
Keep 5:22.0 to 5:43.9 (end) of the LP version. This portion starts on the downbeat in the middle of the word "row".
The tail of the 45 ends about 8 beats before the corresponding point in the LP version, so if those 6 seconds are important, fade to a point that's exactly 4 beats after the crash cymbal that's hit with a snare.
Your mixdown will have edits at 0:06.0, 2:48.8, 4:34.9 and 4:37.7, with a fade that ends around 4:53. It will also use 4 beats of incorrect audio from 4:34.9 to 4:37.7.
Edited by crapfromthepast on 02 November 2011 at 6:53am
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