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In my most recent e-mail conversation with Ed, he reported the following concerning Kim Wilde's two Top 40 hits:
1) The 45 length of "Kids in America" is 3:21, while the LP length is 3:26.
2) The commercial 45 of "You Keep Me Hangin' On" runs 4:14, same as the LP. Ed says he has a CD where the song runs 4:09 due to the pitch being too fast. Pat, you might want to check the other CDs where "You Keep Me Hangin' On" runs 4:09-4:10 because the song may not run at the correct 45 or LP speed on those discs either.
Edited by Todd Ireland on 22 November 2005 at 11:42pm
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This is an interesting situation as my dj 45 runs 4:10 and is slightly sped up over the LP counterpart. It also fades :03 sooner than the LP version.
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That is interesting, Pat. I wonder if the record label intentionally sped up the song for Top 40 radio airplay?
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my 45 is clearly quicker than the cd version from "rock of the 80's vol 9".....by about 0:04 or so......a promo sampler i have contains the correct 4:10 45 version....
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I'm confused here guys. Todd initially reported the commercial 45 running time of "You Keep Me Hangin' On" as (4:14), the same as the LP and now Ed reports the commercial 45 running time as (4:10) so which is the correct commercial 45 running time?
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Pat:
I know you asked your question over two years ago, but I now have an actual commercial vinyl 45 dub of Kim Wilde's "You Keep Me Hangin' On" and I come up with a run time of 4:10 just like you did, Pat. I'm not sure if the 4:14 time posted in my initial thread was a typo or a misunderstanding, but it looks like all three of us now agree that the actual run time is 4:10.
So it looks like we can now conclude that the commercial and DJ 45 runs at a faster pitch than the LP (the latter does run 4:14).
Edited by Todd Ireland on 15 January 2009 at 12:52pm
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For what it's worth, here are the BPMs (tempos) of the various versions of "You Keep Me Hangin' On" that I have:
The most common tempo is 123.4 BPM:- Now 1986 (UK release, 1993; early fade)
- Awesome '80s (Razor & Tie, mastered by Steve Hoffman and the best-sounding version I've heard)
- Modern Rock - Dance (Time-Life)
- Sounds Of The Eighties - 1987 (Time-Life)
- The A-List
- Billboard Top Hits - 1987
- Rock Dreams (Time-Life)
There's a version on the hard-to-find UK CD Now 8 that runs a teeny bit slower at 123.3 BPM.
There's a version that runs a tiny bit faster at 123.6 BPM on Rockin' USA.
There are two CDs that feature a still faster version at 123.9 BPM:- Rock The First Vol. 6 (also mastered by Steve Hoffman)
- Rock On - 1987
And finally, there's a version that runs significantly slower at 121.8 BPM on Rock Of The '80s Vol. 9. This is 1.3% slower than the 123.4 BPM versions listed above, and I think this should be considered to be running abnormally slow. You can hear that this one drags a bit; differences among the others aren't all that noticeable.
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after another, more closer review of the song "kids in america", i've concluded that the 45 actually runs 3:25 and NOT 3:21 as my original assesment states.....this should be updated in the db....
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The database doesn't distinguish the different versions of "You Keep Me Hangin' On"
What version appears on the Time Life Sounds of The 80s - 1987?
Of the CDs listed in the database, which contain the correct 45 version?
Thanks all.
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There is no "version" difference between the 45 and LP - just a speed difference (45 length = (4:10), LP length = (4:14))
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Thanks Pat.
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Revisiting "You Keep Me Hangin' On"...
My 45 (MCA 53024, 1986) has a printed time of 4:13 and an actual run time of 4:10. It has a very minor tempo drift from beginning (123.8 BPM) to end (123.9 BPM). Don't have the Another Step album to compare tempos or fade points.
Most of the 14 versions I have on CD are pretty close to the 45, but there are some goofs I'll point out so you can avoid them.
Priority's Rock Of The '80s Vol. 9 (1993) runs about 1.6% too slow, at 121.8 BPM. It's not the only track that runs abnormally slow on this series - "Pop Goes The World" on Vol. 11 is also too slow. Avoid.
The UK 2-CD set Now 1986 (1993) fades early by about 10 seconds. (Unless that's how the UK 45 runs...) Avoid.
The promo 50-CD set from swaitek called The A-List uses noise reduction on this track. Avoid.
The Time-Life 2-CD set Rock Dreams (1993) is missing the first 0.25 seconds of the intro. Surprisingly, so is Razor & Tie's 2-CD Awesome '80s (1994), which is mastered by Steve Hoffman and has a stellar reputation, but sounds nearly identical to Rock Dreams, including the intro glitch. Avoid.
There are a few discs that use the same digital source as Rock Dreams, but have the intro intact, including MCA's single-disc Greatest Rock Hits Of The '80s (1996; 1.9 dB quieter than Rock Dreams) and Time-Life's 2-CD Modern Rock Vol. 5 Dance (1999; 0.4 dB quieter than Rock Dreams). Both run 123.4 BPM throughout, both run about 4:14, and both sound very nice. I'd bet these are based on the mastering for Another Step, but I can't confirm that.
The most accurate representation of the 45 is probably on Sandstone's Rock The First Vol. 6 (1992), which runs at 123.9 BPM throughout and runs about 4:11. There is a digital clone that exactly 1.7 dB louder on Madacy's Rock On 1987 (1996), but it's too loud and clips a bit.
Bill Inglot did a new analog transfer for Rhino's Billboard Top Hits 1987 (1994), which sounds nice but is a little loud and clips a bit. It runs 123.4 BPM throughout and runs 4:14. There is a digital clone of the Billboard disc on Time-Life's Sounds Of The Eighties Vol. 9 1987 (1995; a little added compression - avoid).
And there are other versions that don't seem to be based on any of the above analog transfers, including UK's Now 8 (1986, EQ'd with too much high end and sounds too bright, runs 123.3 BPM and 4:10), the promo 4-CD MCA Hits Sampler Vol. 1 (1988, runs 124.0 BPM and 4:11 with truncated fade), and Warner Special Products'2-CD Rockin' USA (1994, runs 123.6 BPM and4:10). These all sound OK.
I should point out that in most of these cases, the length difference is due to where the fade ends, not due to significant pitch/tempo differences.
Overall, if I had to choose based on sound quality, I'd pick the Billboard disc, even though it clips a little. The EQ is a little bright for some tastes, but I like it. If you're looking for a version as faithful as possible to the 45, choose Rock The First.
Edited by crapfromthepast on 07 November 2013 at 7:44pm
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Anybody have a CLEAN copy of "Kids In America?" I got a copy of a greatest hits CD and was shocked to hear what sounded like analog overload distortion when the drums kick in through the rest of the song.
I went back to my original file (ripped from one of my compilation CDs, I'm sure) and found IT sounded distorted past 26 seconds into the song.
Anybody have a recommended source for this song, or was the master tape of this recording just overloaded (unintentionally or for effect)?
(Curiously, the drums seem to be the main source of analog distortion more than the rest of the band or the voice, although at times Kim's voice seems to get a little bit of the analog IM distortion going, too... not like the drums, which makes me wonder if the problem was in the master tracks, pre-mixdown. Anybody know?)
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