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Ed was kind enough to send me a dub of his short version 45, to try to recreate from the LP version.
Well, it's not possible... the vocals fade out in in the LP version and not the 45 version. I tried to dub in earlier parts of the song into that spot, but it doesn't work.
So someone describe the long 45 version. Is it just an early fade of the LP version?
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Given that the database comments read "LP version faded :12 early" for copies running (3:31), I'd say the 45 is not likely an early fade.
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I must say, there is perhaps no song with a more complex DJ and commercial single release history than R. Dean Taylor's "Indiana Wants Me". And the most irritating thing about it is that none of these single versions are available on CD!
Speaking of which, did the original LP release contain the song's sound effects in true stereo or electronically rechanneled stereo?
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Here's everything I know about Indiana Wants Me, which is way too much.
There were two original single stock versions. Both mono. One with the siren at the beginning, one with the siren removed only on the intro. Different lengths.
I don't know if there was a stereo promo 45. Motown was doing some of those around that time. It would be interesting to know if there was one.
The album version sounds like it's in electronic stereo except for the sound effects which did go from channel to channel.
Then to confuse matters further, sometime in the 1980's on the Motown Yesteryear 45 series issued a true stereo version with the vocal in the right channel. Very oddly mixed and no siren on the intro. But not all the Motown Yesteryear 45s have that stereo mix, you have to keep buying them until you find one and the time is wrong, it lists the album length.
In the CD era, somebody decided that Electronic Stereo with stereo sound effects was a bad thing to release so many of the mono issues now on CD are actually the LP version converted to mono, but only the left channel, so the siren fades in and out wrong and the bullets firing are half missing.
Anyone have anything else?
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Bill, here's what I have: 2 different promo 45s: The first, on red vinyl, has a listed time of (3:35) on both sides, but both sides contain the same mono mix, with an actual running time of (3:01). (Deadwax D2-D2-D2-781M05, with 2 LENNY on it is well. This does NOT match up with the info on its label, which lists the other promo's info in error.) The second has a listed time of (2:19) on one side, and a listed time of (3:35) on the other. However, both sides are both EXACTLY the same, actual running time (3:35) mono mix. (Deadwax D2-P2-T2-717M11 with Z4KM-2133-1 stamped on both sides). I just listened to the first; then the second. Besides having the sirens chopped off the intro, the pitch on the (3:01) version is MUCH faster. Sounded like someone had placed a BRICK on my turntable when I played the (3:35) version - it was just SO much slower, by comparison.
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Oh yeah! I forgot about the pitch difference! You're right! The stock 45 without the siren on the intro also runs faster. I believe the siren was removed for radio station play as they didn't want to scare people who were listening in car.
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May I muddy the water some more?
I have an original Rare Earth stock 45 with a label time of 2:53 that actually runs 3:01. Deadwax reads D2-D2-D2-781M05 followed by 8 Lenny. Guess what? No sirens, no gunshots, no efx whatsoever other than the cop on the bullhorn repeating three times, This is the police, you are surrounded, give yourself up over the end fade.
I also have the promo stereo LP and the song is mono with siren panned left to right at both the beginning and the end. Label run time says 3:15.
Seems to me that that was the true original version, but when the single started getting airplay, radio stations realized - ours (KRUX/Phoenix) was one of them - there was a serious problem. An FCC rule said stations could not broadcast a siren sound as an attention-getter. Uh-oh.
Motown, not sure what to do, had producer Taylor remove the siren from the beginning, but he left it in at the end where it was thought to be obvious it was part of the record.
But that only obscured the meaning of why he was wanted! The siren set the stage that the singer was on the run from the law.
Meanwhile, Motown was losing momentum until a solution could be worked out. Poor Taylor! Stick to his art, or go along with Motown, which held the publishing rights?
Eventually, all efx were removed and I do remember Motown notifying stations that the real official version was that one.
A little of the preceding was, admittedly, my speculation but most of it is in my memory from 1970.
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Another quality, "Oh, Wow!" post, Mr. Mack. Now that you refreshed my memory, you are exactly correct about that FCC rule involving sirens - they didn't want drivers pulling over to the side of the road because of sfx on a song played on the radio. About your "8 Lenny" stock 45: 1) Did you guys at KRUX ever play that "no sfx" version on-air? 2) Did Motown/Rare Earth provide KRUX with that stock copy, or did you just happen upon it? A little weird that a "completely stripped, FCC sqeuaky clean for radio" no-sfx version, devoid of sirens/gunshots, may NOT have been issued as a promo? More searching to do - thanks again for the knowledge, Gary.
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jimct wrote:
| Another quality, "Oh, Wow!" post, Mr. Mack. Now that you refreshed my memory, you are exactly correct about that FCC rule involving sirens - they didn't want drivers pulling over to the side of the road because of sfx on a song played on the radio. About your "8 Lenny" stock 45: 1) Did you guys at KRUX ever play that "no sfx" version on-air? 2) Did Motown/Rare Earth provide KRUX with that stock copy, or did you just happen upon it? A little weird that a "completely stripped, FCC sqeuaky clean for radio" no-sfx version, devoid of sirens/gunshots, may NOT have been issued as a promo? More searching to do - thanks again for the knowledge, Gary. |
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Actually, the FCC rule was written mostly to prevent advertisers from using sirens to attract attention, but it's worded in a way that could easily be applied to music or any non-news broadcast. Their concern was that listeners would likely be confused and possibly distracted by such tactics.
As best I remember, KRUX played the promo mix that had the siren/shots only at the end. As soon as the clean version arrived, that's what we stayed with. I doubt very much that any promo issue had the clean mix, however, since by the time the problem was resolved, Motown had no need for promo copies - stock 45s with or without a sticker were sufficient.
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Interestingly, the deadwax info on my shorter stock copy of the 45 matches up with what everyone else is saying, however it has "6 LENNY".
I've been reading a post on this song at the Both Sides Now forum and I find it interesting that the reissue 45, for a few copies, used the original mono 45 stamper for the long version (or at least the mono 45 version with the exact same deadwax info), but then at some point (i don't know if it was before or after) created a stereo mix using the short edit as a reference, and put that out on the reissue 45, with the label still listing the long version info but the deadwax only keeping the 711 in the number and changing the rest up a bit. I'd be curious to know what the deadwax info on the mono and stereo reissue 45s that some of you have says. All I have is the two stock 45s, long and short versions.
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Discussion on this song fascinates me. I have the short dj version without sirens, gunfire etc in stereo. Gentleman, if you don't mind a couple questions...
1) Which version actually became the hit? The short dj version w/o sfx? The meaning of the song does lose its intent without the sirens etc.
2) The slowed down version with SFX. Was that the way it was released...or, was that on reissues?
3) Which version is played on oldies stations today? With or without sirens etc. But, I can't remember if it's slowed down dramatically like Jim's version.
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Here's the thing....i hate calling one a short DJ version, because I have it on a stock 45, not a promo. My guess is the shorter one became the hit. But then I haven't heard the song on oldies radio in years, but only heard the long version on oldies radio.
Yes, the slowed down version with the sfx was on the first 45...
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Here's what I have (with deadwax info)
Indiana Wants Me stock 45 3:35 length on label (correct), mono, siren on intro, no effects on fade out, D2-P2-T2 717MI on deadwax
Indiana Wants Me stock 45 2:53 on label 3:01 actual runtime, mono, no siren on intro, two edits from the 3:35 version and an earlier fade, sped up compared to the 3:35, D2-D2-D2 781 MO5 Lenny on deadwax.
Indiana Wants LP version, 3:15 on label 3:43 actual runtime, sped up even more than the 3:01 version, no edits compared to the 3:15 at least up until the ending which is a bit different, most of the song sounds like E with added reverb, but sound effects are stereo, like the siren and gunfire at the fade out. Gunfire was exclusive to this version, at least originally.
Indiana Wants Me Yester Year 45 reissue: Same as 3:35 45, 3:35 label time (correct) Label number of Y 5491, mono, D2-P2-T2 717 M11 549-A on Deadwax.
Indiana Wants Me Yester Year 45 reissue: (TRUE STEREO) 3:35 on label but matches the 3:01 version in edits, but is 3:02 and is true stereo. Also slightly faster than the mono 3:01 version but not as fast as the LP version. If you want to spot it by looking at it, the biggest difference I see is MOT 549 on label, not Y 5491, deadwax Y 5491- A D2 P2 D2 717 M11-13A FH-3H.
Indiana Wants Me (on the CDs that I have checked)
On the Rhino Have A Nice Day issue and the Rebound No. 1 Hits of the 70's it sounds like the LP version slowed down to match the 3:01 pitch.
Oldies radio has most likely been playing the common CD issue.
Speed on vinyl from slowest to fastest:
3:35 single (original and reissue)
3:01 single
3:02 true stereo single reissue
3:43 Lp version
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Thanks for the more than detailed info everybody. Was more curiosity than anything on my part.
Just for fun, checked the JonesTM site for what version is is their GoldDisc library. Run time is listed at 3:33 with a :25 intro. Obviously, the actual time would be 3:43, I'm guessing. And, the :25 intro leads me to believe that the talkup time is over the humming in the beginning.
The song is not listed in their GoldWav library, which means it's not an active title on oldies stations that utilize JonesTM product.
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Bill, I actually timed my short 45 version out to 3:02. It did sound to me that the stereo reissue 45 did match it, but was probably edited some point well after the single had been made.
To confuse you a little....someone on the Both Sides Now website posted a picture of their 45 label for their stereo reissue 45 -- it has Y549F, on the label.
The thread is here: http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/bsnpubs/vpost?id=214 0576
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When in doubt, use the trail wax I guess.
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I have a rare Earth R 5013 stock copy of Iniana Wants Me, which was purchased when the record was popular. It has a time of 2:53 on label, and actually runs that according to my timing. There is no siren on intro, but the siren comes in at 1:43, with sound effects at 2:33 (Policeman talking on a bull horn)
D2-D2-D2 781 MO5 6 Lenny on deadwax.
I was a DJ in 1970 and this is also the version I remember playing. I thought the sirens and sound effects coming in late in the song, added to the dramatic tension. Never knew they originally had them in the front until many years later.
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TallPaulInKy wrote:
I have a rare Earth R 5013 stock copy of Iniana Wants Me, which was purchased when the record was popular. It has a time of 2:53 on label, and actually runs that according to my timing. There is no siren on intro, but the siren comes in at 1:43, with sound effects at 2:33 (Policeman talking on a bull horn)
D2-D2-D2 781 MO5 6 Lenny on deadwax.
I was a DJ in 1970 and this is also the version I remember playing. I thought the sirens and sound effects coming in late in the song, added to the dramatic tension. Never knew they originally had them in the front until many years later.
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Can you re-time it? Your copy has the exact same trail-out information that mine has (right down to the 6Lenny), however mine runs about 3:02. I timed mine via digital using a Stanton Str8-80 turntable with pitch and speed control.....
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Paul sent me his copy of the single, in between the D2-D2-D2-781M05 and 6 LENNY is the number 10, which I don't remember seeing on my copy of the single (which is now misplaced at the moment). His copy played a bit cleaner than mine did and on my direct drive turntable it timed out to 3:02 (i was able to hear the runout to about half a second longer than i could on my own copy which is why i was not sure if i should post my 45 run time as 3:01 or 3:02, as mine has considerable groove wear). I think it is safe to say that there are only the two different 45 versions out there.
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Exciting news.
The Complete Motown Singles Volume 10: 1970
RELEASE DATE: June 27, 2008
Indiana Wants Me - R. Dean Taylor (Commercial Version)
Indiana Wants Me - R. Dean Taylor (Promo Version)
Maybe all our questions will be answered (for $120 of coarse)
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