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Jim, have you received Vol. 10 of "Complete Motown Singles" yet? I was hoping for a more detailed post on "Indiana Wants Me" to add to what Indy500 began.
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Brian, I also got a PM from someone else on the Board, asking me to expound on my "Indiana Wants Me" observations, so I will. I didn't forget - I simply agreed 100% with all of Indy500's findings for the song, so I didn't believe I had anything new to add. But, for the record, exactly like my promo 45 "short version" does, the promo version included on the Motown Singles 1970 Box simply cuts off the opening :08 or so siren intro. As for the commercial 45 version on the 1970 Motown Singles Box, it also matches my 1970 commercial 45, so we FINALLY have a CD version that runs long enough, in the (3:34-3:35) time range, like the commercial 45 does. Both of my original 45 versions, and both of the "Indiana Wants Me" 1970 Motown Singles Box versions, as Indy500 earlier stated, are in mono.
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Ok so to clarify.....
We now have the long 45 version on cd, and now also the short 45 version (call it a promo version if you must but it exists on stock copies too).... right ? Orrrr is there a 3rd version available on the promo 45 that was on neither of the stock variations....
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Sorry to be fuzzy, Tom. This song's long post history has just required me to re-read things, to "catch back up again" on everything. As an added detail, the "short version" (on promo, stock, whatever you happen to own) on the 1970 Motown Singles Box also runs (3:01), just like the short version 45 does. So, aside from the "stereo short 45 version", that appears on some re-issue 45's and is still not on any CD, I am very confident in stating that both of the 1970 mono 45 versions are correctly included on the 1970 box. For what's it's worth, though, Tom, the track listing DOES refer to the short version as the "promo version", which I know you happen to have on a commercial 45. The longer, (3:35) version is described in the 1970 box track listings as the "commercial version."
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Thanks, Jim. Very good news that these are both finally on CD, in their correct 45 versions; probably my most-wanted song on this entire set. (Second is the mono "Mama's Pearl," coming on Vol. 11.)
I'm just getting myself caught up on my buying of these sets. Vols. 8 and 9 both came in the mail today, and I ordered 7 and 2 this evening. Vol. 7 is temporarily out of stock at CD Universe, and may not ship for a few days. I already owned 3 through 6.
By the way, for anyone who bought the 1965 volume with the incorrect tape used for "Shotgun," Hip-O offered (still does??) a replacement disc. I bought mine quite a while after release, and mine came packaged with the corrected disc.
Not that it was a big deal -- the correct mono 45 version is available on numerous CDs.
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For information purposes.
Listening to a Sept 1970 American Top 40 show, they used the promo version.
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Much of this info has already been posted, but perhaps a little visual reference can help. Here are scans for what I have. I timed these from very beginning to very end of audio.
The promo copy is identical on both sides - listed 3:35/3:35 mono/mono. Deadwax: D2-P2-T2-717M11 (which varies slightly from the printed matrix number.) Also contains machine-stamped Z4KM-2133-1. Slower pitch than the other two pictured. Actual time is (3:37).
Commercial copy, listed (2:53), deadwax: D2-D2-D2-781M05, then a 10 followed by 6LENNY. Lots of space between the 10 and the other info. Actual time is (3:02).
LP version listed (3:15), actual time is (3:42).
Yikes! Even the matrix numbers are confusing!
Edited by Yah Shure on 19 July 2008 at 4:00pm
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Lovely scans, Yah Shure. Thanks.
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Just a note for those inclined--iTunes now has the 1970 singles set. I had never heard the commercial 45 for "Indiana Wants Me" before (I do have an MP3 of the promo)--that was cool. Also nice to have the single versions of Diana Ross' "Remember Me" and the Four Tops' version of "It's All In The Game."
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It's also now on Napster, too.
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It's available at regular retail now, too. It hasn't been loaded on MusicGiants yet, but it should be soon... all the other sets are there. Sometimes their street dates are different than the regular download sites.
I was listening to the song samples on iTunes last night, and was thrilled to see something I hadn't noticed before: there are two mono promo versions for Diana Ross's "Ain't No Mountain High Enough." One appears to be the full length LP version, mixed to mono, but the other is a 4:05 radio edit that has never before appeared on CD. Of course, the 3:30 45 version is also included.
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Brian W. wrote:
| Diana Ross's "Ain't No Mountain High Enough." One appears to be the full length LP version, mixed to mono, but the other is a 4:05 radio edit that has never before appeared on CD. |
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Curiously, what's the difference between the 4:05 version and the commercial single? I don't have the promo single of this, but I don't recall the short version played on the radio as being any different than the stock 45.
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I just listened to the 4:05 edit via Rhapsody (subscription service) I haven't heard this edit before, it matches the single up until the end when there is a slightly different edit on the instrumental break and a much longer fade out. It does not contain the line "one more time" which is exclusive to the commerical single.
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Bill Cahill wrote:
Then to confuse matters further, sometime in the 1980's on the Motown Yesteryear 45 series issued a true stereo version with the vocal in the right channel. Very oddly mixed and no siren on the intro. But not all the Motown Yesteryear 45s have that stereo mix, you have to keep buying them until you find one and the time is wrong, it lists the album length.
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Indiana Wants Me Yester Year 45 reissue: (TRUE STEREO) 3:35 on label but matches the 3:01 version in edits, but is 3:02 and is true stereo. Also slightly faster than the mono 3:01 version but not as fast as the LP version. If you want to spot it by looking at it, the biggest difference I see is MOT 549 on label, not Y 5491, deadwax Y 5491- A D2 P2 D2 717 M11-13A FH-3H. |
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| My copy of the Motown "Yesteryear Series" re-issue 45 is in stereo (and not just the sound effects). The label states the time as (3:35) but it actually runs (3:01). After a by no means thorough comparison between it and my copy of the original (3:01) 45 (which is mono), I can't detect a difference. Unfortunately this series, especially the stereo recordings, has horrible sound quality. I recall reading a letter to the editor in Billboard in the late 1980's in which a dealer stated he would no longer stock Motown re-issue 45s after receiving numerous complaints. |
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I didn't previously realize that I had the stereo reissue, so I gave it a belated spin:
Deadwax differs slightly from Bill's copy: Y549F-A-D2-P2-D2-717M11-13A FH-3H
Many of us know about Motown's typically awful pressing quality. Well, this one creates a new, sub-sub basement level. The mastering job on the flipside, "Gotta See Jane", is of early-'70s vintage, but "Indiana" was freshly-mastered on my mid-'80s reissue. The entire "Indiana" playing surface is covered with hairline cracks that resemble a marble surface, whereas "Jane" is much smoother. There's a large lump of recycled plastic in the aggregate that produces a noticeable thump toward the song's end.
Once the needle hits the fan... er, record, it gets interesting. To confirm what Bill mentioned earlier, this is, indeed, an odd-sounding mix. I verified channel connections using a Shure test record, and R. Dean's vocal is entirely in the left channel. The siren SFX in the bridge do not pan back and forth like they do on the LP version; here, they are entirely in the right channel.
This is a very wide mix, and about the only things that are centered between the channels are the punctuating strings that follow the line, "I wish I had you to talk to." On the mono 45, these strings are mixed more toward the background, but here, they are quite a bit louder.
Not that the song's sound quality was ever really stellar, but on this stereo reissue, there is a very high amount of distortion on Taylor's vocals; much more so than on the mono 45s.
Tnink I'll stick with the (M) and (E) versions of this one.
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Motown was notorious for bad vinyl.
I have that same single and its horrendous.
The local record store folks replaced two Lionel Richie
"Can't Slow Down" albums until we found a decent one.
The three album Temptations "Anthology" I gave away.
I heard Motown even recycled the lables.
Most used to cut the labels out before recycling.
Take a look at some of your Motown singles from the 80's.
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That's why I always seek out Motown promo copies, when possible.
One example I remember, in radio in 1980, the beautiful intro to the Billy Preston & Syreeta track, "With You I'm Born Again." The stock copy sounded like someone had an open mic nearby popping popcorn. Horrendous. Luckily, even though a small station, we were serviced with promo copies.
Quiet intros like that on Motown, with engineers tuning Optimod's as they felt sounded best, could really bring surface noise out. Don't know about any of you radio folk back then, but we didn't clean each 45 before cueing and playing.
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eriejwg wrote:
That's why I always seek out Motown promo copies, when possible.
One example I remember, in radio in 1980, the beautiful intro to the Billy Preston & Syreeta track, "With You I'm Born Again." The stock copy sounded like someone had an open mic nearby popping popcorn. Horrendous. Luckily, even though a small station, we were serviced with promo copies.
Quiet intros like that on Motown, with engineers tuning Optimod's as they felt sounded best, could really bring surface noise out. Don't know about any of you radio folk back then, but we didn't clean each 45 before cueing and playing. |
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Probably the worst case I ever ran into was Diana Ross' "Theme From Mahogany". PD told me he went thru 5 copies before he found one clean enough to cart.
Gotta say though, I've never seen a Motown 45 get cueburn.
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Sorry to threadjack, but here's a question (since the only radio station I ever spent considerable time in was all carts back then and I didn't spend much time with the music director).
When record labels issued copies to radio stations who actually played the vinyl (or even used it for carting), did they generally service only one copy and if a record became unplayable for whatever reason it was incumbent on the station to request additional copies? Or did they service multiple copies, just in case?
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Don't worry, a few of us are guilty of threadjacking... look up the definition, you'll see our pictures...
Anyways, the stations I worked at that got record service usually got 3 copies or so of a 45. By 1981, late by many standards, was the first time I worked at a station that had carted music. But, I know some locally that had carted music as early as 1975 and 1976.
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To add to my post, usually the jocks in smaller markets played the vinyl themselves and ran their own boards, unlike the big union stations like CKLW, WLS and the like.
Usually, the station's Music Director was responsible for carting up the music. I even remember working at a couple stations where the Music Director wound carts from scratch.
I remember doing that too. I seem to recall this winding unit had a stopwatch on it so you knew the exact length to wind it for a song.
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