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Well, this is great - I'm getting so much information here. I hope you don't mind my asking about a few more. Now I had heard these on TM Stereo Rock automation in Buffalo, NY in the 80s, and I always took them as custom edits, but could they have been real promos of any sort?
Kool and the Gang - Celebration (every chorus had only one "yahoo", then into "Celebrate Good times")
John Lennon - Starting Over (interleaved "Somewhere........." and the drums to overlap - there is no space)
Police - Don't Stand So Close to Me (the instrumental bridge was reduced to three runs, and the intro faded up to the cymbal start)
Thanks for the time folks.
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Jody Thornton wrote:
Now I had heard these on TM Stereo Rock automation in Buffalo, NY in the 80s
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That would have been Rock 102...WBEN-FM. Remember it well!
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Oh, and welcome to the forum!
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Well thanks! Yes it was Rock 102. Roger Christian who has been there since, says that they called the system "Fred", and I wish I remembered what the acronym was for. I just know that "F" was in place of a bad word.
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There is a Police promo 45 for "Don't Stand...," and it does fade in after the drums have already kicked in. The fade in is very gradual (15 seconds), and it doesn't get to full volume until the vocals start. The total run time is (3:37), but I don't think there are any edits.
If the "TM" is referring to TM Century, beware that they created MANY custom edits. Some are close approximations to the promo 45s ("Sledgehammer"), and some are not even close ("I Want A New Drug").
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There were many TM Stereo Rock 'automated' formats all over the country. It was always the same voiceover DJ all over the country. This was long before TM joined with Century 21 to form TM Century.
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Right - I think the other person (aaronk) is thinking of TM Century's Golddisc series, no?
And that voice-tracked DJ was John Borders, last I remember.
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Yes, I was referring to their GoldDiscs. From John's comment, it looks like the TM Stereo Rock is not related (at least not at the time); however, they do seem to have the same common denominator: incorrect edits!
Edited by aaronk on 23 May 2008 at 8:55pm
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I believe some of the same people who were involved with TMs "Stereo Rock" reel-tape automated formatting were still with TM when it morphed into TM Century so it may be more related than we think...
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A lot of the automation companies in the 70s and 80s (such as TM and Drake-Chenault) did not use 45-rpm discs as their library. They would rather create custom edits of songs due to the higher resolution and lower noise of LPs. The 45-rpm discs made of polystyrene plastic are thinner, thus creating a heavier tracking force, and upper-midrange distortion. Thus the practice was to chop down LP or 12" single versions to create the same edit.
I used to love grabbing a blank Type II or III cassette (I'm 38, since I'm showing my age - a child audiophile wanna-be! Haaaaaaaa), and taping hours on end of Rock 102 in Buffalo. The sound, although a little sterile by today's standards, was so crisp.
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If I may revert back to the subject title of this message thread for a moment, the actual and printed commercial 45 run time for Kool & the Gang's "Celebration" is 3:42. (These timings come courtesy of abagon.) I only post this info because database CD appearances with the "45 version" comment run from 3:35-3:42.
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Does anyone have an accurate mock-up or even the real radio promo edit for the Police "Don't Stand"... (3:37) It does not need to be of high-quality. I just want to be able to hear it. I would appreciate it.
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