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Although not noted in the database, "Immigrant Song" on the Led Zeppelin boxed set does not feature the ramp up heard on the beginning of the stereo stock 45. Does anybody know, is that ramp up on other CD sources and just missing from the boxed set? Or was the ramp up exclusive to the single?
Timing matches up because the 45 is at a faster pitch than the boxed set version.
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There is a ramp up on Led Zeppelin III.
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Ramp up is also on Mothership.
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Bill Cahill wrote:
| "Immigrant Song" on the Led Zeppelin boxed set does not feature the ramp up heard on the beginning of the stereo stock 45. |
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Were there 2 different pressings of the 45? My stock copy is mono. Most Atlantic promo singles were mono/stereo in 1970, but I don't recall ever seeing a stereo stock single that early.
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There's been like 70 pressings of the 45. They kept it available maybe even through the 90's because of the non LP B side. My copy is pretty old but it's stereo, not sure when it was pressed but probably in the early 70's.
I've never seen it on the Atlantic Oldies series, all copies I've seen are on the red Atlantic stock label.
Looks like the Led Zeppelin box is simply missing the ramp up intro.
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Did any of the promo 45's include "Hey Hey What Can I Do" on the flipside?
My promo has "Immigrant Song" on both sides.
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There was the initial pressing with the cryptic "Do What Thou Wilt Shalt Be the Whole of the Law" etched in the deadwax. On the left below is the more common 1971 pressing without the mini-novel in the deadwax. Steve, both the A- and B-sides of this copy are stereo.
I bought the reissue on the right in the early '90s, primarily to get the complete, barely-audible ending to "Hey, Hey, What Can I Do" on a cleaner pressing, but the reissue faded the song out before it got to the very end.
"Immigrant Song"/"Hey, Hey, What Can I Do" was apparently released as number 13131 on the Atlantic Oldies Series, but, like Bill, I've never seen a copy.
 
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Forgive my ignorance, but what's a ramp-up?
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Lol.. I couldn't think of a better way to describe the beginning of this song. Sounds like tape echo/feedback or something faded up right before the actual music starts.
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From that description, I don't think the ramp-up appears on my CD single copy of "Immigrant Song."
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Yeah it's like 3 or 4 beats of what sounds like tape echo feedback and possibly someone under it saying "3, 4". Then the cymbol hits and the music begins. That was cut off the Led Box Set, it just starts with the cymbol crash.
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Just for grins, I compared the now-famous "Bill Cahill ramp-up" and the following couple of seconds on the three vinyl versions of "Immigrant Song" that I have:
Led Zeppelin III LP: Has the most highs on the cymbals of the three, but lacks the punch of the 45.
1971 45: Very highly-compressed, and the ramp-up is noticeably louder than on the LP. There is a momentary dropout on the beginning of the second guitar note, but increasing the level of the dropout segment by 170% fixes the problem. This hotter mix rocks!
1990s reissue 45: Sounds closer to the LP, but more muffled. The ramp-up is not as loud here as it is on the 1971 45.
Edited by Yah Shure on 06 September 2008 at 1:21pm
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Yah Shure wrote:
| "Immigrant Song"/"Hey, Hey, What Can I Do" was apparently released as number 13131 on the Atlantic Oldies Series, but, like Bill, I've never seen a copy. |
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I have one of those. There's also a picture of one at the web site below (or maybe two -- there are two pictures; it's not clear to me whether they are the same record or two different records, though if the latter, they appear to be the same "pressing"):
http://www.vjez.com/zep/us45/immUSosb.jpg
Mine has the 1841 Broadway address and no mention of Warner Communications in the rim print. The pictures at the above link are a later pressing with the 75 Rockefeller Plaza address and the small "W" logo.
Atlantic released at least four Led Zeppelin singles as Oldies Series reissues in the early '70s: "Whole Lotta Love", "Immigrant Song", "Black Dog", and "Rock And Roll". All four can be found in either of the rim print variations discussed above. (I have never seen Oldies Series reissues of the "Good Times Bad Times"/"Communication Breakdown" single from the first album, or of either of the singles from Houses Of The Holy.)
Sometime around 1976 or 1977, the Oldies Series issues were taken off the market and replaced with reissues of all seven of Led Zeppelin's Atlantic 45s on standard red and black labels with the original catalog numbers. All of these remained in print at least into the late '80s, because I bought all of them new in record stores around 1988. The reissue that Yah Shure posted a scan of is an example of one of these. The reissues are very common today, much more so than original pressings, but can be confusing to novice collectors because they superficially appear to be original pressings (they have the same catalog numbers and basic label design as originals, and they are not part of a reissue series). There are a number of subtle differences that can be used to distinguish the originals from the reissues, but the most sure-fire is probably the absence or presence of the Warner Communications text and logo.
In 1990, Atlantic changed from its long-running red and black label to a purple (lavender) and black label -- same basic label layout, just a different color. Late reissues of "Whole Lotta Love" apparently exist on this label. I've never actually seen one, but I've encountered a few references to them, and I know of one person (someone who posts on this forum) who has one. I've seen no evidence that "Immigrant Song" or any of the other Led Zeppelin singles were ever made with the purple and black label, however. The other titles had apparently been deleted by 1990, or Atlantic had enough leftover red and black label copies in inventory that they never had any need to press more copies on the new label.
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In addition to editing off the "ramp-up" on "Immigrant Song", there are at least three other cases where songs on the Led Zeppelin box set had noticeable track length differences from the CDs that were in print when the box set was first released. None involve songs which were Top 40 hits:
--"Your Time Is Gonna Come": the song is faded about 20 seconds earlier than on Led Zeppelin's self-titled debut album. While this was presumably done to avoid the crossfade between this song and the one that follows it on that album ("Black Mountain Side", which was not included on the box set in studio form), the crossfade only affects the last five seconds or so of the track in its original form. It wasn't really necessary to lop 20 seconds off.
--"Tangerine": the false start at the beginning of the song is edited off, reducing the song's length by about 15 seconds.
--"Nobody's Fault But Mine": this one is really interesting, and I only became aware of it recently. This song is about 12 seconds longer on the box set than on the original, pre-remastering Presence CD. The difference is in the fade-in at the beginning of the song. The box set fades in longer (i.e., it "starts sooner"). I have been told that the box set version matches the original vinyl, and the original CD inadvertantly cut the fade-in short, but I have not confirmed this. The difference may not jump out at the listener because this song has a long, drawn-out intro which initially fades in at a fairly low volume.
Around the time the box set came out, I saw a Jimmy Page interview in which the interviewer asked about the truncated intros to "Immigrant Song" and "Tangerine". My recollection is that Page was mildly surprised that the interviewer noticed or cared about such details, and made some comment to the effect that he had never really liked the way these songs started off.
I've never bought the remastered versions of Led Zeppelin's albums, or any of the more recent compilations. From the comments upthread, it's nice to hear that "Immigrant Song", anyway, appears on later CDs more or less as it did on the original LP, with the intro intact.
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