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MMathews
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Hi Dave/Hey You,
I assume you are asking about "Venus" ....
Since I worked on this CD and the the mix, I can help you out. I hear exactly what you mean in the ending
segment of the song. They are not "clicks" they way most people think of them, as you say they sound
like a background noise accidentally captured by one of the mics during recording - like drum sticks
dropping or the sound of a chair moving (this is a common issue with studio recording engineers,
especially with drummers who move a lot while playing...the mics can pick up their movements in a
noisy chair).
Anyway, we consulted and decided to leave the sound in the mix because it is part of the mono master.
And, taking that sound out might have damaged the sound quality of the audio - so our answer was:
leave it alone.
RE: Feels So Good - yes our CD has the correct 45 version with correct speed and fade.
Hope this info helps.
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Thanks Mark!
Yes, "Venus" was her name, Wahhh! Wasn't that band of Dutch origins? I'm trying hard to remember. (I'm also thinking Candy Dulfer and Average White Band.)
I feel better now knowing that when I do find that disc, I will hear the familiar clicks. (Even though I wish they weren't there.)
As for the Chuck Mangione song, I think I will have to dig out the LP or see if I have it on a GoldDisc for that long album version.
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MMathews
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Dave,
Yes the Shocking Blue are Dutch. The song was written by band member Robbie
Van Leeuwen. Mariska Veres was the lead singer and she didn't speak a word of
English ... you can hear her singing the English phonetically so some words
are a little "off" ....
Sadly we lost Mariska in 2006.
When I was a kid and played this 45 to death, I thought it was a guy singing
because her voice was so low and rough sounding. When I was 16 I acquired the
Colossus album and when I saw her picture I almost fainted...she was
gorgeous! But of course I was disappointed that the title cut was in mono.
I've wanted that song in stereo all my life.
To finally achieve a mix I liked, it took 4 engineers working together to
create the stereo mix on our CD.
It was a dream come true.
And bless you Mariska, wherever you are now :-)
BTW, Robbie based most of the backing music on this 1963 folk song by The Big
Three (an early folk group that Cass Elliot was in):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iodQbGZs64o
You will hear "shocking" similarities between this and the basic chords of
"Venus"....right down to the "WOW" scream.
Enjoy
MM
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MMathews wrote:
Dave,
Yes the Shocking Blue are Dutch. The song was written
by band member Robbie
Van Leeuwen. Mariska Veres was the lead singer and she
didn't speak a word of
English ... you can hear her singing the English
phonetically so some words
are a little "off" ....
Sadly we lost Mariska in 2006.
When I was a kid and played this 45 to death, I thought
it was a guy singing
because her voice was so low and rough sounding. When I
was 16 I acquired the
Colossus album and when I saw her picture I almost
fainted...she was
gorgeous! But of course I was disappointed that the
title cut was in mono.
I've wanted that song in stereo all my life.
To finally achieve a mix I liked, it took 4 engineers
working together to
create the stereo mix on our CD.
It was a dream come true.
And bless you Mariska, wherever you are now :-)
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I really love their song "Never Marry A Railroad Man".
Its a shame that they didn't achieve another big hit
here in the US.
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I have a question regarding "Words" by F.R. David on this
CD. What is the source for this track? I think that I
hear a few pops/clicks in this track, but maybe those are
on the master. Also, the version on this CD sounds
slightly different than the versions of the song that I
have on an import F.R. compilation, "Référence 80":
https://www.discogs.com/release/
3027532-FR-David-Référence-80
I assume that the version of "Words" on "Hard to Find 45s
- Vol. 18" is naturally the U.S. 45 version, which
actually came out about a year later than in Europe. Is
it a slightly different mix, EQ, or does it just run at a
different speed? To me, the version on this CD sounds
like it runs faster. However, my ears are having trouble
telling the difference. Thank you.
Edited by Bellenger1981 on 26 January 2022 at 10:27pm
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The version of "Words" on Hard To Find 45s vol. 18 is the original international hit version as released in 1982 on the Words album and as a single.
Well, almost. It is running 0.15% faster than previous digital releases, and if the copy I found (just to check this for you) is legit, then for some reason, the last 7 seconds have been replaced with a lossy-source copy with dither added!
The two versions on Référence 80 are not quite what was released in 1982. Those are previously unreleased versions which debuted on that compilation in 2011 and are also on the 2020 Words & Melodies 5-CD set.
Comparing the Words & Melodies masterings with the circa 1990 German CD of the Words album...
The 1982 released version on the c. 1990 CD is 123.7 BPM and runs 3:26, with the fade beginning at 3:15. On the Words & Melodies remaster, the fade goes for another ¼-second, and it's phase-inverted and louder, to the point of introducing a few moments of minor clipping.
The "Original Full Mix" runs 3:37.8, and doesn't fade out as early, so you hear about 11 more seconds of music at the very end. Despite running at tempo 0.35% faster than the hit version (124.0 BPM), the pitch of everything in it is 2.85% (half a semitone) lower! This is total speculation, but I am guessing they were using an Eventide Harmonizer to mess with the pitch, and they were maybe also playing with the tempo of the synth & drum sequencer.
Similar shenanigans are at play in the "Original Speed Mix", which runs 3:42.9, and is the structurally the same as the Original Full Mix, including the fade. Its tempo (121.1 BPM) is about 2.48% slower than that mix, though, and yet, it's at the exact same pitch!
So you can't really make the hit version from those two "original" mixes.
Edited by mjb50 on 28 January 2022 at 8:19pm
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For "Words", it seems that Hard To Find 45s On CD Vol. 18 (2018) uses the same analog transfer as a European 8-CD box on Disky called Greatest Hits Of The '80s (2002), but sped up by 0.4% and with the ending replaced by one with a longer fade.
This is the listing on Discogs for that Disky set. Disky is a reputable Dutch label, which put out a bunch of very good 8-CD sets that (unfortunately) all have similar titles.
Edited by crapfromthepast on 28 January 2022 at 8:45am
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Wow. Thank you both for the wealth of information! That
explains why I am hearing such differences.
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thanks
Edited by whyaduck on 02 February 2022 at 3:45pm
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