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jimct
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Posted: 06 June 2007 at 4:06pm \| IP Logged

Pat, the full story of this song's long road to becoming a national Top 40 hit is almost exactly the same as its follow-up hit, "Rio." First released around the last week of July 1982, as Harvest 5134, is the listed (3:23), non-hit version of "Hungry Like The Wolf". The other side of this Harvest 5134 45 is, "Careless Memories (Live Version)". We received no promo 45 for this issue, just commercial 45s into the station, and it quickly disappeared without a trace. Now, move ahead 4 1/2 to 5 months, to December of 1982. By the way, between July and December of '82, the initial release of the "Rio" 45 has also been put out, as Harvest 5175, and also totally flopped. But the group was a big fave on MTV, and the label was selling records on them. So the record company tried again with "Hungry...", this time with (4:11) and (5:14) remixes appearing as both sides of this newly-issued 45, released as Harvest 5195. FYI, we received only stock copies as well for this 45 issue, which was rather unusual for the times. This is the 45 issue that hit #3 on Billboard, in March of 1983. Pat, my main point here is that the (4:11) "hit" version was the only one we ever played at our station. I would suspect the (5:14) flip probably also got some good radio airplay at the time. But I do not believe that the initial, mid-1982, (3:23) version deserves any database credit as a "hit" version. In my opinion, it was nothing but an early, non-hit release of a later-remixed Top 40 hit, and any and all (3:23) database CD appearances should be notated as such, for accuracy's sake.

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Posted: 06 June 2007 at 5:37pm \| IP Logged

Hi

I had purchased all of the above mentioned 45's at their time of release. (the first and second issues..)
But I am confused a bit with "Hungry.."
I just assumed the '83 hit single version was the longer 5:14 (also known as the "Night Version") was the A-side. Why? In NY, that was the version that was played on the major top 40 stations. Even the Rio album was re-pressed in '83 to include the 5:14 version at that point.
It was not until later, when the cd era arrived, the short one on the greatest hits cd became the norm.
I myself was annoyed the long one was not used on the hits cd, and had to buy the "Night Versions" CD to finally get it on CD.
Even the CD of the Rio album had reverted to its first-issued version.
Am i the only one who remembers it this way?

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Posted: 18 June 2007 at 4:45pm \| IP Logged

Yeah probably a case of don't know or don't care at EMI. I was surprised to EVER see that 3:23 edit make it to CD. I would think the 5:14 versions would make it to more CDs, or at least be a bonus track. EMI may have simply gone back to "British" versions, which might be 3:23 for the single and 4:11 for the LP.

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Posted: 30 August 2007 at 11:13pm \| IP Logged

This is probably just a simple timing error issue, but I think it's worth noting. The database indicates that some commercial copies run (4:11), but the CDs listed in the database with the "45 version" all run (4:03). Is it safe to assume that the (4:11) label time is wrong?

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Posted: 31 August 2007 at 7:23am \| IP Logged

Now, you guys know I don't trust label timings, so i'll say this:

The greatest hits version is the single mix that appeared on the B side of the commercial 45s - I have it - but it is faded early to exclude those cries of passion at the fadeout. The 45 has a very long fadeout.

The correct, full-length 45 version is on a long OOP Sandstone/DCC CD called "Rock The First", and was mastered by Steve Hoffman.

Radio around here played the B side remix.

Not only are there at least three lengths of this song, there are two mixes.

Edited by The Hits Man on 31 August 2007 at 7:46am

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Posted: 31 August 2007 at 9:11am \| IP Logged

aaronk wrote:

You are correct, Aaron. My listed (4:11) side has an actual time of (4:01). And, while I was in "timing mode", I also timed the other, listed (5:14) version side; it has an actual time of (5:13).

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Pat:

The 3:23 non-hit version of "Hungry Like the Wolf" has appeared on a number of database CDs with the comment: (this is one of the dj edits of the 45). Since it's been established that this non-hit version was also issued as a commercial 45, I'm thinking it would be more accurate to re-work the comment to read something like: (this is the non-hit version).

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Posted: 01 November 2008 at 12:41pm \| IP Logged

Here's a scan of the (3:23) double-A-sided promo copy of the "Hungry Like The Wolf" 45 from the KDWB singles library, complete with grease pencil mark for carting. This was the only copy of the single in the library.

(I can't say for certain that it was the only version that was played on KDWB. I was at KOMA at the time.)

Edited by Yah Shure on 01 November 2008 at 12:45pm

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Posted: 01 November 2008 at 1:15pm \| IP Logged

John:

Can't say I've ever seen grease pencil marks on a 45 before in the years I carted music up.

What was the purpose of the mark?

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John, the mark was used as a visual reference point by some folks to account for the split-second gap needed between hitting the "start" button on the cart recorder and the beginning of the song, in order to have the carted song's starting point consistently (but not overly) tight upon playback.

As you might guess, I detested any defacing of records, be it with date stamps, grease marks, Magic Markers or, horror of horrors, compass points. When I began carting music at KOMA, I ditched the pencil (who wants grease gunking up the stylus?) and simply made a mental note of the spot on the label where the music began, then aligned that spot with the second of two marks on the production studio turntable's rim. When the turntable spun around to the first rim mark, you'd hit the start button, then concentrate on riding the levels during the dubbing process.

Ah, yes... ye olde radio days. I knew I was officially a fossil when I spotted an ITC triple cart deck at the Pavek Museum of Broadcasting in Minneapolis some years ago. :)

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my commercial 45 issued as harvest 5195 states on the label "remixed by david kershenbaum" and lists a run time as 4:11 but actually runs 4:03 and is identical to the cd version listed below.

(S) (4:03) Rhino 78239 Like, Omigod! The '80$ Pop Culture Box (Totally) (45 version)

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Posted: 11 May 2011 at 9:40am \| IP Logged

The actual running time of my American pressing "Rio" LP is "5:17" (Capitol AT-12211, the listed time "5:14")
There are 2 CD entries on the Database as (remix).

(5:14) EMI-Capitol Entertainment Properties 93922 Essential (remix)
(5:10) EMI 65633 Rio (deluxe edition) (remix)

I presume that the above 2 CDs are "US LP version. Because the running time is about the same as the 5:17 US LP version. The vocal "Darken the city nights" on the US LP version starts at 1:28.

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Posted: 13 May 2011 at 12:41am \| IP Logged

Interestingly, my 45 of this was on the purple Capitol label instead of Harvest. (the charting issue with the long version on it).
-MM

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Posted: 13 May 2011 at 5:53am \| IP Logged

MMathews wrote:

Interestingly, my 45 of this was on the purple Capitol label instead of Harvest. (the charting issue with the long version on it).
-MM

This song charted right about the time EMI discontinued the Harvest label and rolled the songs onto Capitol. "She Blinded Me With Science" was another one where early singles were on Harvest and later pressings on Capitol.

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Posted: 13 May 2011 at 7:04am \| IP Logged

I have scans!

Girls On Film promo 45
Planet Earth commercial 45
Original non-hit mix for Hungry Like The Wolf with B-side
Hit mix on Harvest and Capitol

Not to veer too far off-topic, but there were 3 permutations of the US "Science" 45: the Harvest label, the purple label, and the rainbow label

And a UK picture sleeve

Edited by crapfromthepast on 13 May 2011 at 7:05am

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Posted: 20 May 2011 at 8:41am \| IP Logged

abagon wrote:

I was able to get the "Harvest" label LP of "Rio".
The actual running times of three hit songs on the "harvest" LP are just the same as the "Capitol" release LP.

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Posted: 20 May 2011 at 9:18pm \| IP Logged

MMathews wrote:

Hi

It was not until later, when the cd era arrived, the short one on the greatest hits cd became the norm.

-MM

Now that short version was just the LP edit wasn't it? The original single had a more cleaner less reverberated mix on it. And the edit at 2:20 included all three of Simon's "Hungry..." whispers. Where did that mix originate from?

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Posted: 24 May 2011 at 6:33am \| IP Logged

Wait - I figured it out I think. That's the 4:11 version isn't it? It was a dryer mix right?

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Posted: 22 December 2011 at 9:31pm \| IP Logged

A few more technical observations regarding Duran Duran's "Hungry Like the Wolf"...

1) There are several database CDs where the song has the comment: "UK LP version". But since it's been established that this version also appeared on early U.S. LP pressings, perhaps it would be more accurate to re-work the comment to read something like: "UK LP version, which also appeared on early U.S. vinyl LP pressings".

2) All 4:03 45 version appearances of "Hungry Like the Wolf" on CD currently have a "45 version" comment. Since there are two hit 45 version pressings with run times of 4:03 and 5:14, respectively, I would submit that database CDs containing the 4:03 45 version should have a revised comment of: "short 45 version".

3) As Abagon pointed out previously, there are two database CD appearances of "Hungry Like the Wolf" running 5:10 and 5:14 that have a "remix" comment. Can anyone confirm if these discs actually contain the long 45 version, which also appeared on later pressings of the U.S. vinyl LP?

Edited by Todd Ireland on 22 December 2011 at 9:34pm

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I noticed that no one ever responded to the last question in the above post, but if you're looking for the long (Night) version of "Hungry Like The Wolf" it can also be found on the 2CD Limited Collector's Edition of Rio, which I believe was an import only released in 2009. Not only does the CD sound really good, but it also has all the UK and US LP song versions, all the Night Versions, as well as most of the relevant remixes. It is only missing some of the single edits.

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