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Posted: 25 October 2005 at 7:09pm \| IP Logged

anyone know if the 45 version is avaialble on cd.........allmusic states that a cd titled "a year in your life 1977" contains a 4:03 version.........i'm hoping this cd contains the 3:57 45 version..........anybody know????????

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Posted: 25 October 2005 at 9:45pm \| IP Logged

I was hoping that, too, but Pat's database, before it went down, listed it as the full-length 4:30 (or thereabouts) LP Version.

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AllMusic has a few mistakes like that. The Rock On 1981 CD's jacket states that LRB's "The Night Owls" runs 3:45 (the Excelsior version), and AllMusic took that as gospel (and of course, was wrong). The entry was corrected for the Madacy 1996 version.

So there are a number of occasions where they'll use what's on the CD jacket and be wrong (but not always).

Turning this back to "Telephone Line," the 45 removes the sound effects at the top and fades a bit earlier than the LP--is that correct, or is there another edit or two involved?

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No, that's correct. The only sound effect left at the beginning is the
last little synthesizer cascade before the first notes of the song.

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Posted: 29 October 2005 at 2:30pm \| IP Logged

Paul Esch wrote:

No, that's correct. The only sound effect left at the beginning is the
last little synthesizer cascade before the first notes of the song.

Great. And the running time is (3:57), yes? (Just making sure run time matches with printed label time.)

Edited by sriv94 on 29 October 2005 at 2:31pm

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Posted: 29 October 2005 at 3:55pm \| IP Logged

Yes, that's the correct time. And, by the way, if you want to get the
45 version of "Evil Woman," get the version off of Rhino's Like
Omigod! The 80's Pop Culture Box and edit out the line "I came
a-runnin' every time you cried" in the last verse, and voila!

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Posted: 29 October 2005 at 6:28pm \| IP Logged

??????Evil Woman was from 1976 and there are no ELO songs on the Omigod! The 80's Pop Culture Box.

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??????Evil Woman was from 1976 and there are no ELO songs on the Omigod! The 80's Pop Culture Box.

I think Paul meant the Have A Nice Decade 1970s box, which does have an edit of "Evil Woman" (although as he said, it's not the 45 because they made one editing error).

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Yes, that's what I meant. Sorry.

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I have just timed my commercial 45, and, contrary to info appearing earlier in this thread, my 45 has a listed time of (3:57), but an actual time of (4:00). My 45, purchased in 1977, has green vinyl, and features deadwax of "UAST-17907-E".

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If I recall the version of "Evil Woman" (and all issues of the alleged single edit on cd) are an incorrect edit. The database states, "neither the LP or 45 version" for the "Have a Nice Day" box. If you start a thread on "Evil Woman" I'm sure that somebody will recall the difference, I forget what it is.

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sriv94 wrote:

Turning this back to "Telephone Line," the 45 removes the sound effects at the top and fades a bit earlier than the LP--is that correct, or is there another edit or two involved?

Actually, this is not quite right. I just verified that it has an edit near the end, rather than fading early.

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The first DTMF touchtones are edited on the single, it has an edit on the last verse and it's faded early. My Green vinyl 45 is timed out at 4:00 on United Artists and is excellent Stereo.

Edited by KentT on 08 October 2010 at 5:15pm

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KentT wrote:

The first DTMF touchtones
are edited on the single, it has an edit on the
last verse and it's faded early. My Green
vinyl 45 is timed out at 4:00 on United Artists
and is excellent Stereo.

Hmmm, that's not what I'm hearing on the
single dub I have. The intro starts as others
have described above; however I did not
detect an edit on the last verse. Also, the
fade of the single is the same audio as the
fade of the LP. If you listen to the last chorus
on both, pay attention to the strings. That is a
giveaway that it's an edit and not an early
fade.

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Dug out my Green vinyl 45 and my A New World Record LP on United Artists. I checked the phasing on my system and found an anomaly. Fixed it and the LP and 45 fade exact. So we have the DTMF touch tones and an brief edit in the last verse as the official differences here. Both pressings are first runs purchased new in 1977.

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Posted: 05 November 2010 at 9:59pm \| IP Logged

Telephone Line: Unless you get a vinyl dub on CD,
it does not exist on CD. Here's the explanation from
Kevin Gray, thee guy who cut the album and single in
1977.

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?
t=19248&highlight=telephone+line

Quote:

Hi Gang,

Steve and I were returning from lunch today and Living
Thing by ELO
started playing on my car radio. I said to Steve, Now
that was a crazy
mastering session! Would you believe we did a vocal
overdub before we cut
it? After I told Steve the story he suggested I write it
up for the forum,
so here goes.

On a Friday afternoon Dino Lapis from UA Records called
Artisan Sound, where
I worked at the time, and said that ELO needed to master
their new album
(New World Record) but needed to do a vocal overdub
first. Artisan Sound
had just finished its second mastering room and was in
the process of
building a mix-down room. But it wasnt finished yet.
Bob MacLeod, owner of Artisan, suggested doing the
overdub to two track and
splicing just the overdubbed sections back into the
original master. Jeff
Lynne actually preferred this idea to re-mixing, as he
was quite happy with
his original mix overall. So on Saturady morning Jeff
Lynne came into
Artisan and sang the vocals for the lines in "Livin'
Thing" Im takin a dive and Im
takin, Im takin and Bob MacLeod recorded the micro
session.

This is how it was done:

Jeff Lynne listened to his original mix with headphones.
The mix was played back through 2 line inputs,panned hard
left and right,on
a portable Electrodyne mixer and a Neumann U-87 mic was
plugged into a mic
input panned to center. The output of the mixer fed a
second Studer A-80
two-track recorder. Jeff's voice along with original mix
were fed to the
new tape. When finished, just the sections with the added
vocal were spliced
back into the original mix.

Clever eh? It was a little more difficult
than it sounds. Also, getting the level of Jeffs voice
right in the mix
took a few trial passes, but if I recall correctly, I
think he did the
actual take of each line in one pass. ...Two or three at
most.
Bob and I both worked on the mastering. I cut all the
final lacquers, and
there were lots! ...Maybe 16 sets for the US and the
world.

One other
tidbit... The telephone effect on Telephone Line was
actually done by me
in mastering. It is NOT on the master tape that way!

Jeff for some reason didnt think about it til
mastering. He asked if I could do a "telephone effect".

We took a ton of bass out and put a ton of midrange
in one Sontec EQ (to
give the exaggerated telephone feel), then set a second
Sontec up with the
EQ for the rest of the song. Then I did a long, slow
cross-fade between the
2 Eqs in real time as I cut each lacquer. ...a little
tricky. I still
remember having sweaty palms every time I cut an acetate
on that side. We made a tape copy and everything of a
reissue nature has been cut from that dub.

This
is why so many reissues get cut from tape copies. (Even
some first
releases!) BUT not from Steve and me!

Best to all,

Kev

Living Thing: As far as I know, the actual 45 edit
does not appear on CD. I made a nice needledrop of the
45.

Edited by The Hits Man on 05 November 2010 at 10:05pm

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The Hits Man wrote:

Kevin Gray said: "I still remember having sweaty palms every time I cut an acetate on that side. We made a tape copy and everything of a reissue nature has been cut from that dub."

Grant, thanks for re-posting Kevin's notes. Very interesting! I still have a copy of that Artisan acetate and will give it a listen.

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Posted: 06 November 2010 at 10:30am \| IP Logged

Very interesting! Thanks for posting, this, Grant. So if I'm understanding correctly, there is a tape for the single version, but it's actually a disc dub of the acetate?

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Brian W. wrote:

Very interesting! Thanks for posting, this, Grant. So if I'm understanding correctly, there is a tape for the single version, but it's actually a disc dub of the acetate?

I don't think that's exactly what he was saying, and I think Grant is also mistaken. The single is an edit of the LP version; however, the LP version on all sources was "mastered" as it was cut, with the telephone effect on the opening vocals.

"We made a tape copy and everything of a
reissue nature has been cut from that dub."

I took this to mean that they also made a tape copy in the same way they made the lacquers, which is what is used on all reissues of the LP/CD copies. That means original pressings of the LP will vary slightly on the intro, since the synchronizing of the two sources was done in real time while cutting each lacquer.

I've never heard any version of "Telephone Line" that does not have the telephone effect on the opening vocal, which is apparently how it exists on the master tape.

Edited by aaronk on 06 November 2010 at 1:07pm

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Aaron, I also came away with the same interpretation that you did, in that the tape had been made in the same manner as the lacquers and acetates.

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