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eric_a MusicFan
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Posted: 13 April 2010 at 6:54pm | IP Logged
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This question has been bugging me for years - hopefully someone can answer this. For years, back in the 1980s and maybe early 1990s, certain Columbia/Epic LPs had a logo on Side 1, with a triangle within a circle. See attached:
Does anyone know what this was or its significance?
Edited by eric_a on 14 April 2010 at 6:18am
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Brian W. MusicFan
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Hykker MusicFan
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Likewise Columbia & Epic 45s had a "black sun" (for lack of a better description) on their 45s in the mid-ish 70s ('74-75 time frame). Anyone know what that was all about?
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Yah Shure MusicFan
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Hykker wrote:
Likewise Columbia & Epic 45s had a "black sun" (for lack of a better description) on their 45s in the mid-ish 70s ('74-75 time frame). Anyone know what that was all about?
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I always thought of it more as an oversized asterisk, but that's a good description. When the list price of 45s rose from 98˘ to $1.29 in 1974, the CBS Records Group used the symbol to designate which releases carried the new $1.29 price. Older titles remained at 98˘ until 1976, when they, too, went to $1.29, and the black sun set.
CBS also used the black sun on promo 45s which, no doubt, alerted those dealers selling promo 45s that they needed to charge more. ;)
As for the triangle-in-a-circle, I thought it was a hazardous waste warning symbol. ;) Seriously, I thought it signified a stylus superimposed on a vinyl record... that is, until it began showing up on CBS CDs, too. There was a recent thread on the mysterious triangle on the Steve Hoffman boards, but no one came up with a definitive answer.
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995wlol MusicFan
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Posted: 14 April 2010 at 10:41am | IP Logged
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This question has been discussed extensively on the Steve Hoffman forums (18 pages without a definitive answer).
http://stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=199374&highli ght=symbol
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I remember seeing it on cassette singles when I was a kid, as well (showing up on both sides of the cassette) -- even some free via mail sampler cassettes had the symbol on it....
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They're up to 65 pages on the Steve Hoffman forums thread, and still no closer to figuring out the true meaning(s) of this mysterious symbol.
Given that it only appears on side 1 of many LPs, or on what is ostensibly the plug side of promo 12"s, I would think it's a side designation, or maybe just "start here" (triangle pointing to the first track).
But if that were true, surely someone would have confirmed it by now; I mean, if no DJs can say that's what it was, then it seems unlikely to be the real explanation (unless CBS were just really bad at communicating this expectation).
And then there's the fact that it doesn't appear on 7" releases (or does it?), and it does appear on many CD albums, but inconsistently on CD singles.
Anyway I'm bumping this thread in hopes that maybe someone else out there has something to add.
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I work in the industry and can tell you nobody there now knows, either, at least in the people that I routinely associate with.
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I found this online:
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The “triangle-in-circle” symbol beneath the CD format logo at 3 o’clock also denotes this as a U.S. DADC pressing. |
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http://www.keithhirsch.com/cd-gallery/other
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The Hoffman crew has already debunked the DADC theory as inaccurate. It took them only about 10.5 seconds to reply!
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aaronk wrote:
It took them only about 10.5 seconds to
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That's slow for them!
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This is one of those mysteries we might never get an answer to (but
someone obviously knows) like what the prefix letters for RCA catalog
numbers stood for (AHL1, AFL1, etc)
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eric_a MusicFan
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Wow, I forgot I had started this thread.
By chance, just a few weeks after that post, I started
working part-time at Sony Music during grad school. While
I found some fellow music nerds at SME who were aware of
the mystery, no one knew the answer.
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