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Posted: 12 October 2005 at 7:08pm | IP Logged Quote Paul Esch
Pat,
For your listing for the Jelly Beans, you reference that some
versions have handclaps overdubbed (the mono versions) and some
(I assume) without handclaps (the stereo versions). Which one is the
single version?
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Posted: 12 October 2005 at 8:37pm | IP Logged Quote Todd Ireland
I'm not Pat but I'd say it's a pretty good bet the mono version with handclaps is the single version, given that the vast majority of 45s released in the mid-'60s were still being mixed in mono.

Edited by Todd Ireland on 12 October 2005 at 8:40pm
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As it turns out, my vinyl 45 does not have the handclaps. It is entirely possible that there were two different pressings of the 45 but as I say mine does not have the handclaps.

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Posted: 13 October 2005 at 3:05pm | IP Logged Quote Todd Ireland
Well, I guess it's a good thing I didn't put any money down on my "pretty good bet"!

Pat, is your vinyl 45 in mono? If so, it's odd to me that the overdubbed handclaps show up on all mono CD appearances but not on the original mono 45... unless of course there's another 45 pressing, as you suggest.
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Posted: 13 October 2005 at 3:29pm | IP Logged Quote Pat Downey
Yes, my 45 is mono.
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Posted: 19 August 2010 at 7:13pm | IP Logged Quote Ringmaster_D
I just came across this thread and was wondering if anyone ever came across a mono 45 with the handclaps? Could we be talking about a unique mono LP mix here (with handclaps)?
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Posted: 20 August 2010 at 5:21am | IP Logged Quote Hykker
I never even knew there was a stereo version of this. Every compilation I've ever come across with this song has it in badly done (E) that phase cancels in mono.
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Posted: 20 August 2010 at 8:57am | IP Logged Quote AndrewChouffi
To 'Ringmaster_D':

I am not 100% sure on this, but I *believe* the first issuance of the electronic-stereo-with-added-stereo-handclaps version was on the various artists LP 'Incense & Oldies'. I don't believe there was a contemporaneous single or album release with handclaps.

The first "real stereo" version was that excellent Taragon package 'The Very Best Of Red Bird & Blue Cat Records'.

To the more well-informed people out there, please correct me in this thread if I'm wrong!!

Thanks,

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Posted: 20 August 2010 at 2:32pm | IP Logged Quote Ringmaster_D
Hi Andy,

Actually, my question was around the mono version with handclaps. It doesn't surprise me that the mono and stereo versions vary, but it's unusual for recordings of this vintage to have two distinct mono mixes. Pat confirmed that his mono 45 lacks handclaps, so I was wondering if anyone came across a mono 45 with handclaps in their collection. It's amazing what people on this board dig up!

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Posted: 21 August 2010 at 12:12pm | IP Logged Quote AndrewChouffi
To Dave:

What I neglected to point out is that I *believe* that the mono versions with handclaps on CD were once a dub from that 'Incense & Oldies' comp, mono'd out...

Andy
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Posted: 23 August 2010 at 7:09pm | IP Logged Quote Ringmaster_D
Thanks Andy. That would make sense.
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Posted: 24 August 2010 at 5:08am | IP Logged Quote Bill Cahill
I think the hand claps were added AFTER the "exclusive" rights to the Red Bird masters (including the Shangra-las masters which had already been sold to Mercury) were sold by George Goldner to a couple of labels including Musicor. An off key piano was added to "People Say" by the Dixie Cups too, these additional instruments and hand claps might have been added by Musicor. I don't believe there was a hand claps version released on Red Bird on the Jelly Beans track, but I could be wrong.
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Posted: 12 March 2014 at 3:56pm | IP Logged Quote edtop40
frank was kind enough to send me two stereo files without
the hand-clap overdubs and after comparing them to my
vinyl 45 they are the same, kind of.....first, you'll need
to edit off the first 1.4 seconds of the intro and start
to song on the downbeat after the intro....then you'll
need to fade for 0:14 from 2:29 to 2:43.....the actual
vinyl 45 runs 2:43 even though the label says 2:40...this
45 run time info s/b added to the db.....if anyone needs a
copy of my re-creation, please send me an email or
pm....THANKS, FRANK

Edited by edtop40 on 12 March 2014 at 3:56pm

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Posted: 12 March 2014 at 7:27pm | IP Logged Quote musicmanatl
Always happy to help, Ed. And my question to you is answered here already. :)
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Posted: 23 June 2020 at 7:30am | IP Logged Quote Paul C
I note that the info supplied by Ed in 2014 is not
indicated in the database. If I may elaborate, the only
CD with a stereo version I have is Taragon's Very
Best Of Red Bird/Blue Cat Records. This version
starts with the group's male member, Charles Thomas,
singing "Poom-poom, poom-poom, poom-poom". (The music
starts during the final 'poom'). The first two 'Poom-
poom's are not on the 45, on which there is only the
final 'Poom-poom'.

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Posted: 21 July 2024 at 2:30pm | IP Logged Quote Brian W.
So the database lists this song as (E) on the Collectables CD "Jelly Beans and Friends," and it does NOT specify that it has handclaps. Is it the "no handclaps" version on that CD?
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Posted: 21 July 2024 at 7:36pm | IP Logged Quote LunarLaugh
(E) would presumably be an re-channeled mono mix so if it was created from the mono mix, then it should contain the handclaps.

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Posted: 22 July 2024 at 1:31am | IP Logged Quote Brian W.
LunarLaugh wrote:
(E) would presumably be an re-channeled mono mix so if it was created from the mono mix, then it should contain the handclaps.


Not necessarily, because, as was discussed earlier in the thread, the original mono single mix did not have the handclaps.

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Brian W. wrote:
LunarLaugh wrote:
(E) would presumably be an re-channeled mono mix so if it was created from the mono mix, then it should contain the handclaps.


Not necessarily, because, as was discussed earlier in the thread, the original mono single mix did not have the handclaps.


I found a listing of that CD on Archive.org with sound samples, and the handclaps are there. Sounds like the database needs to be updated to indicate that the CD "Jelly Beans and Friends" has the handclaps.

Also found on Archive.org: a dub of the 1965 mono LP "Red Bird Goldies," issued on the Red Bird label, which contains the mono version with handclaps:

Red Bird Goldies (Mono LP)

So the handclaps were not added after the 1966 sale of Red Bird Records, as someone speculated, they were added within a year after the release of the single. But there are four different original 45 dubs on YouTube, and they all play the "no
handclaps" version.

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Posted: 22 July 2024 at 7:40am | IP Logged Quote AndrewChouffi
Brian W. wrote:

Also found on Archive.org: a dub of the 1965 mono LP "Red
Bird Goldies," issued on the Red Bird label, which
contains the mono version with handclaps:


Wow! And all this time I thought the handclaps were
added by the 'Insence & Oldies' compiler in 1968 to make
it seem stereo.

The handclaps on the 1965 mono Red Bird comp seem the
same...

Andy
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