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"Tennessee" Ernie Ford - Sixteen Tons: On my copy of the Your Hit Parade - 1955 various artists CD (Time-Life HPD-09), this song has what sounds like a tape glitch at the :10 mark (it's almost like everything goes out-of-phase for a split second). I don't know if the glitch is a common issue with "Sixteen Tons" on other CDs because I only have it on one other disc -- Greatest Hits (Collectables 9373). Although that CD doesn't have the glitch, it unfortunately was mastered using noise reduction. By contrast, "Sixteen Tons" otherwise sounds terrific on the Hit Parade CD.
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Thelma Houston - Don't Leave Me This Way: There are dropouts in the left channel from the :50 to :53 mark on the following CDs:
Mega-Hits Dance Classics Volume 3 (Priority 7973) (45 version)
Sounds Of The Seventies - 1977: Take Two (Time-Life SOD-17) (45 version)
The left channel dropouts are not present on these CDs:
The Disco Years, Vol. 1 (Rhino 70984) (45 version)
Billboard Top Hits - 1977 (Rhino 70672) (45 version)
Hitsville USA Volume Two - The Motown Singles Collection 1972-1992 (box set) (Motown 012159027) (45 version)
Best of (Motown 5492) (LP version)
Disco Nights Vol. 9 (Rebound 314520298) (LP version)
If anyone knows of the dropouts appearing on any other database CDs, please feel free to post them here.
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TheHitsMan,
Both 45 RPM pressings I own, the one with the glitch and
the one without, were pressed by Specialty Records
Corporation in Olyphant, PA. The master may have been
approved by Nile Rodgers and Bernard Edwards on the first
pressing which was fine and had no speed issues. The tape
appears to play fine on other machines save for the Ampex
ATR 102 (It does not have a capstan or pinch roller, and
relies on servo motors). The ATR 102 does not like
splices too well. The second pressings appear to be the
ones with pitch issues and mastered on the ATR 102
machines on the east coast.
I took the LP cut, made a 15 IPS/1/2 track Stereo copy of
it on my Otari MX 5050 B II, edited it like the single by
cutting tape and splicing tape. The tape played great on
my Otari machine, I took it to the studio at work, played
it on our ReVox PR 99 high speed, no problem. Played the
tape on our Ampex ATR 102 in the production studio, same
speed issue as Atlantic had on the pressing with the
speed problem when the line "All That Pressure Got You
Down to the end of the track.
Edited by KentT on 17 July 2013 at 4:33pm
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KentT wrote:
TheHitsMan,
Both 45 RPM pressings I own, the one with the glitch and
the one without, were pressed by Specialty Records
Corporation in Olyphant, PA. The master may have been
approved by Nile Rodgers and Bernard Edwards on the first
pressing which was fine and had no speed issues. The tape
appears to play fine on other machines save for the Ampex
ATR 102 (It does not have a capstan or pinch roller, and
relies on servo motors). The ATR 102 does not like
splices too well. The second pressings appear to be the
ones with pitch issues and mastered on the ATR 102
machines on the east coast.
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Good to know. I have never heard of a 45 with the speed
problem. How in thew world could Atlantic ever let that
one out?
Anyway, the only place to get the correct fade of the
song is to get the dingle download or do a drop of the
good 45.
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I think the first pressing was the only one fully listened
to and approved by everyone concerned. The second pressing
was likely only spot checked and/or the QC inspector didn't
catch the slowdown.
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I stumbled upon this thread while looking for something else. (This happens a lot!) I was actually looking if others had opinions about the 3 disc series from 1987
called "45's on CD" on the Mercury / Polygram label.
I was looking through and tried to find details about the Paula Abdul song "Vibeology." I'm not even certain if it charted, but I never was able to find any version
that didn't sound badly overmodulated in a lot of the bass parts. I'm assuming this was all part of the original recording as I never found a good one.
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AdvprosD wrote:
| I was looking through and tried to find details about the Paula Abdul song "Vibeology." I'm not even certain if it charted, but I never was able to find any version that didn't sound badly overmodulated in a lot of the bass parts. I'm assuming this was all part of the original recording as I never found a good one. |
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"Vibeology" peaked at #16 on the Hot 100 in early 1992 and, like much of its parent album Spellbound, it was mixed using Q-Sound processing
(see also: Madonna's The Immaculate Collection from 1990).
Though the back insert of the CD and the disc itself mistakenly omit the asterisk that indicates "This song mixed in Q-Sound" for "Vibeology",
the original outer long box packaging, cassette insert, tape, vinyl sleeve and labels for Spellbound all include it.
Two different edits of this album mix were released:
1) The single version, called Jeff & Pete 7" Edit
2) The US video version called Video Edit, which wasn't commercially released at the time, but appeared on a promotional CD for the song
and has been included on all four domestic Paula Abdul compilations since her first, 2000's Greatest Hits.
While that collection featured most tracks with their original mastering, later collections like 2007's Greatest Hits Straight Up!,
2011's 10 Great Songs and 2013's Icon are much louder, further compressing the sound of the song.
Not sure if what you're hearing is the original Q-Sound processing, the later "brickwall" compression - or both - but hopefully this helps.
Edited by Underground Dub on 19 April 2021 at 3:31pm
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Thanks for the details, Underground Dub! I also forgot to credit the previous 6 pages in this thread. There's some great reading material here!
I can remember back that far and noted that the original album, "Spellbound" contained this noxious sounding copy of the song. I was first introduced to an available
copy other than the album version on a TM Century Hitdisc. I noted that it sounded just as bad. Again, I am crossing paths with this Q-Sound process as in a couple
previous posts. I have a copy of the album on the shelf somewhere and I will look for the trademark. I think I also have a CD single of this too. I'll look again.
Did you imply that the song Vibeology was the only one on the album that was recorded this way? I also have the Madonna album, and I can't say I heard anything like this
on that album, as far as how "Compressed" any parts of it were.
I've had the option at a few times to record some live material digitally and also the good old analog way. I remember being extra careful with the gains in a digital
recording because they get exceptionally funky when the needles start to swing into the area above 0db. Vibeology, has the exclusive sound of this, as all the other
tracks on the album seem to be decently recorded.
If this is a by-product of Q-Sound in general, I can see why so many folks weren't quick to jump on board.
Edited by AdvprosD on 19 April 2021 at 9:03pm
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Brenda Lee "All Alone Am I"
I need to look up this song in the database and see how many times it appears on CD. I had noticed a really funky fluttering noise in this one in the two versions I have handy.
From :00 - 00:30, and in the second verse 1:04 - 1:20, and spoken parts esp. 1:50 area. I'm hearing a very annoying "Flutter" type of sound.
The first CD I noticed it on was, a pseudo Time-Life collection called "Easy Listening Gold 1962-1963." I'm thinking Time-Life had a hand in this set, because they also made a collection with
nearly identical artwork called "Pop Memories of the 60's." I don't have the Pop Memories set, but I still have my "Superhits" collection which sounds the same. I don't have the 1962
AM Gold disc which I believe is an expanded clone of Superhits. I tried looking over other posts with the search criteria of "All Alone Am I" and "Brenda Lee" but found nothing.
I even went to Youtube and looked up an HD version which also seems to have this flutter present. Is there any version on CD that doesn't have this? This is a super nice song
that demonstrates her singing talent nicely. I am becoming more and more a fan of hers with every song I hear!
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