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aaronk wrote:
If I had to guess, I'd say someone transferred the HotTracks vinyl copy and edited that version down to create the "Radio" version.
I reconstructed the "Radio" version, and I can confirm the "Radio" version (aka 45/LP version) can be edited together using the "Club" and "Dub Mix" that appear on the 1993 US CD single.
Although I didn't attempt using the 1991 UK Extended Mix, a quick listen tells me that the basic mix is the same. Quite possibly the 1993 "Club" mix is just a re-arranged version of the 1991
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Just found the Hot Tracks version on a "Best Of" NRG for the 90's [Volume 2]. Though this disc is CD, it has a number of the original vinyl transfers. I might spend a few minutes listening to
the differences. I'm guessing here, but I seem to remember the 1993 version having a much fuller sound. And, no chipmunks either. I guess there must have been a 12" Gigolo mix that they cut
their remix from.
Planning to rip this one down tonight before it falls victim to the rot factor. Lots of great mixes and extended versions!
Edited by AdvprosD on 25 May 2021 at 5:54pm
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Having re-constructed the "Radio" version from the UK mixes, I can now say with a fair amount of certainty how it came to be.
First, the original mixes were issued in the UK in 1991 on 12" and CD single (Extended Version and 7" Version). As mentioned earlier in the thread, Hot Tracks picked up the song for one of their club/DJ compilations. The version issued by Hot Tracks comes from the 1991 UK Extended Version but it was re-arranged, looped, re-edited, etc. Now that I've been able to compare the Hot Tracks version against the "Radio" version, I can say that not all the parts are there to create the latter. I believe the Hot Tracks edit was the inspiration, though, to create the hit "Radio" version when it was picked up by Next Plateau.
Without question, the engineer for Next Plateau used the original UK 12" when editing it down for the "Radio" version (aka LP version aka 45 version aka hit version). It comes mostly from the Extended Version, with a short segment taken from the 7" Version, both found on the UK 12". There is a lot of sibilance and groove distortion throughout all CD copies of this version, as well as a bit of turntable rumble. I believe the other two mixes released on the US single ("Club" and "Dub Mix") are simply different edits of the 1991 UK Extended Version, but I haven't tried to reconstruct them. These are definitely from tape sources.
I lost count of how many edits it took to make the "Radio" version, but it was probably around 15 or 20 edits. (I don't recommend trying it.) Apparently, that's what someone attempted to do in order to release a cleaner sounding version in the digital era. There is a digital download labeled "Radio Mix," which has also replaced the original vinyl-sourced edit on the full-length Boy Krazy CD. This can be found on iTunes, Spotify, Qobuz, etc. This edit closely resembles the "Radio" version, but some of the edits are wrong. At first, I tried using this version as a starting point and then fixing the mistakes. Just when I thought I had it, Ron pointed out yet another editing difference that I didn't catch. I then went back to the original CD-sourced UK mixes and re-edited it from scratch.
While there are several remixes of this song, the original 1991 UK mix and 1993 hit version all come from the same mixes. Here's a summary:
1991 UK 7" Version (3:13) - begins with full instrumentation and fades out during a chorus
1991 UK Extended Version (7:10) - begins with acapella vocals and ends with drum beats
1991 Hot Tracks version (7:09) - begins and ends with drum beats; a re-edit of the UK Extended version
1992 Hitmakers version (4:18) - likely an edit of the Hot Tracks version; very obviously transferred from vinyl to tape for editing and poor sounding
1993 "Radio" version (3:20) - a combination of 1991 Extended Version & 7" Version; vinyl source used to create this edit by Next Plateau; begins with drum beats and fades out with drums and guitars only
1993 "Club" version (6:46) - a different re-edit of the 1991 UK Extended Version, inspired by the Hot Tracks edit; begins and ends with drum beats
Digital-download-era "Radio Mix" (3:20) - an attempt at re-creating the 1993 "Radio" version, but some of the edits are not quite right
Edited by aaronk on 26 May 2021 at 2:42pm
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Aaron, that is some amazing detective work and always
amazing editing skills you possess!
Perhaps, the 'Radio' version needs to be re-released as a
Hard To Find selection on a future Eric Records release?
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eriejwg wrote:
Aaron, that is some amazing detective work and always
amazing editing skills you possess!
Perhaps, the 'Radio' version needs to be re-released as a
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I agree on Aaron's skills! It takes a lot of re-listening stamina. The kind that drives my family nuts when I mix things and then do it a few more times, for fun.
Has ERIC had any discs that include 90's stuff? I could go check the site I suppose...
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I remember Kiss 108 in Boston playing a version of this
before it broke big nationally... it was radio-length
but had a reversed snare effect during the instrumental
breaks with vocal "doot" samples...
do-do-dee-doot-doot... (reverse snare) doot.
Look around and you will see... etc.
Anyone know where this particular version can be found?
I've searched for years...
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Yes, that's the version that appears on Hitmakers. Given that the song appears on a volume from December 1992, I'd guess the "Radio" version was not yet released. Perhaps Hitmakers was trying to get it to radio before Next Plateau had pressed up singles. As noted earlier, the Hitmakers edit is completely taken from vinyl (and it's not a good transfer).
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Outstanding work, Aaron!
You've managed to recreate, from a digital tape source, a version of the song that only previously existed with a vinyl record in the mastering chain!
This is a nice companion piece to "I Can't Wait" by Nu Shooz, which has its own vinyl-based mastering story...
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aaronk wrote:
Yes, that's the version that appears on Hitmakers. Given that the song appears on a volume from December 1992, I'd guess the "Radio" version was not yet released.
Perhaps Hitmakers was trying to get it to radio before Next Plateau had pressed up singles. As noted earlier, the Hitmakers edit is completely taken from vinyl (and it's not a good
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Aaron, I went and pulled my Hitmakers 79 disc and at 1:38-ish it sounds like a skip or splice. I'm going to look at another source and see if this is there in a flac file
I was given from a very gracious donor. Maybe I could fire up the audio editor and see what this looks like too.
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aaronk wrote:
Yes, that's the version that appears on
Hitmakers. Given that the song appears on a volume from
December 1992, I'd guess the "Radio" version was not yet
released. Perhaps Hitmakers was trying to get it to
radio before Next Plateau had pressed up singles. As
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Any chance someone can send me a copy? That's one of a
handful of versions that I'd love to hear just one more
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Shout-out to AdvprosD for sending me the Hitmakers
version. I take back what I said about wanting to hear
it just one more time... what a mess. LOL
Still nice to give it one more listen. Thanks Dave!
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AdvprosD wrote:
| Aaron, I went and pulled my Hitmakers 79 disc and at 1:38-ish it sounds like a skip or splice. I'm going to look at another source and see if this is there in a flac file I was given from a very gracious donor. Maybe I could fire up the audio editor and see what this looks like too. |
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Those stutters/skips are an intended part of the audio. There's nothing wrong with your disc. I agree with BSharp that this edit is a mess. At the time, though, that may have been the only source available for stations who wanted to add the record early.
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aaronk wrote:
Those stutters/skips are an intended part of the audio. There's nothing wrong with your disc. I agree with BSharp that this edit is a mess. At the time, though, that may have been the only
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I agree now that I listened to the second set of "Chipmunk" samples. It sounds almost like the cut and pasted that again later in the song, then just changed up the second set a bit.
I heard that odd skip again in the paste. I'm still planning to take some time to see what this looks like in an editor, just for kicks.
I always thought the song was a catchy dance number when the DJ didn't play too much of it. Heh!
You are very welcome BSharp! I hope you found something to cleanse your palette afterwards.
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thanks to all who answered my original question! After
listening to my hitmakers disc again, it does sound
rather awful. This was the version that was played on
Kiss 108 - Medford/Boston back when I worked at the
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promojunkie wrote:
thanks to all who answered my
original question! After
listening to my hitmakers disc again, it does sound
rather awful. This was the version that was played on
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If you can come up with the version of "Too Turned On"
by Alisha that Kiss played, I'll really be impressed.
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Check your PM.
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