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does anyone have the song "while you see a chance" by steve winwood in it's 45 version on cd............i have the LP "chronicles" and on the lp it has the 4:05 version of the song but the cd "chronicles" has the 5:10 version of the song........does anyone have the cd "chronicles" from it's first pressing with the 4:05 version of "while you see a chance"........
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The vinyl LP releases of Chronicles have the 4:07
version of "While You See a Chance" (the full 5:10
version is included on the CD and cassette releases of
this compilation).
There is another thread regarding this song:
http://top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=742
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Mind you you can recreate that edit pretty easily. In fact, if you end up making a crappy sounding edit - that means you did it correctly :)
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Yeah, I vote that as the "worst edit of all time".
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EdisonLite wrote:
Yeah, I vote
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In my opinion this weird edit in
"While You See a Chance" definiteñy
kills the song.
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EdisonLite wrote:
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I dunno - that Aerosmith "Dream On" edit (more the execution of it) is pretty hideous. You gotta love the entry into the second verse. Yikes!
But you're right that Island Records should bury it's head in shame over the Winwood 45-rpm disc.
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To Jody:
There is no excuse for the sound of
the edit of "Dream On"; it's a remix
from the multitracks!
I'm actually wondering if a talented
remix engineer did the new mix
including adding new background vox,
but then a different (hack) person
chopped it up to make the chorus hook
come in quicker to appease radio.
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I grew up with that Winwood 45 edit. I find it oddly endearing and actually look forward to hearing it every time!
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Paul Haney wrote:
| I grew up with that Winwood 45 edit. I find it oddly endearing and actually look forward to hearing it every time! |
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See it's funny you say that, because to me, it's still the official hit version. That's what I heard in March of 1981. As bad as the edit is, that's what WAS on the radio. So I more or less agree with you Paul.
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As if to add insult to injury, most (all?) of the 45 edits on CD sound muddy and distorted.
The 45 edit first appeared on CD on Time-Life's Sounds Of The Eighties Vol. 18 The Early '80s Take Two (1996), where it runs 4:05. Compared to the CD versions of the LP version, this 45 version sounds pretty bad. There's a differently-EQ'd digital clone on Time-Life's Classic Soft Rock Vol. 3 Into The Night (2006).
The version on Island's Revolutions The Very Best Of Steve Winwood runs 4:08, and is almost certainly a different analog transfer than the Time-Life version. I don't have this disc, though, and can't comment on sound quality.
In my own library, I recreated the 45 edit, since it's just one edit (and no early fade). If you start with the version on The Finer Things box set (1995), just remove 2.21.3-3.26.5, with the edit falling exactly on a downbeat. It would be great spot for an edit, except for the ayyy-eeee thing.
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<I dunno - that Aerosmith "Dream On" edit (more the execution of it) is pretty hideous. You gotta love the entry into the second verse. Yikes! >
It's funny you say that in response to my comment, Jody - because when I wrote it, I was almost going to say "the edit on Winwood is the worst, and a real close 2nd is "Dream On" (1973 edit)."
A while back, you showed me different approaches you took to do the 'short edit' with the album mix. In one edit, you didn't cut off the end of the 1st chorus as early as they did. I've always loved the 1973 mix (as that's what I always heard on the radio, and I bought the 43 in '73), so you inspired me to do a new edit. I used the 1973 single remix for most of the song, but I let that last sung note in chorus 1 go out more, like the album mix does - by putting in a snippet of the album mix. It's not a perfect edit because the mixes are so different, but it's less harsh than the actual spot where they put the edit.
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AndrewChouffi wrote:
To Jody:
There is no excuse for the sound of
the edit of "Dream On"; it's a remix
from the multitracks!
I'm actually wondering if a talented
remix engineer did the new mix
including adding new background vox,
but then a different (hack) person
chopped it up to make the chorus hook
come in quicker to appease radio.
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Andy, I've always wondered the same thing. The single remix is a whole new mix, using the multi-tracks. So I could never figure out how that edit at the end of chorus 1 was so bad. But your theory, which I hadn't considered, makes sense - and is probably the best theory. A DIFFERENT GUY edited the single remix after it was actually remixed - cutting off about 5 seconds in that spot just to make the single mix even a bit shorter (than it had already become) for radio.
I always imagined that Steven Tyler, Joe Perry and the rest of Aerosmith cringed when they first heard this edit spot. And being Boston-based as I was, I can say this is probably what they were hearing on the radio in 1973 most every time, sadly.
At least in 1976, this edit wasn't even made available as a 45. I'll bet the band was happy about that. However, I really like the remix done in '73. If only there's a version that has that mix but is longer (perhaps the whole length of the song). Maybe it will be a bonus cut on some Aerosmith CD or boxed set someday. (I know boxed sets aren't common anymore, but Europe still seems to put them out quite a bit, so you never know.)
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To EdisonLite (Gordon):
More theories - I wonder if the person who edited
"Dream On" was the same person at Columbia who edited
"Beginnings", "Are You Ready" & "Thunder And
Lightning" - all out-of-sequence edits in the late
'60s/early '70s? Does anyone know his/her name?
Also, I believe the edit/remix was made available in
1976 *promotionally* on the flip of the 1976 promo 45,
and yes, some stations and AT-40 DID play it in '76.
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AndrewChouffi wrote:
More theories - I wonder if the
person who edited "Dream On" was the same person at
Columbia who edited "Beginnings", "Are You Ready" &
"Thunder And Lightning" - all out-of-sequence edits in
the late '60s/early '70s? Does anyone know his/her
name?
Also, I believe the edit/remix was made available in
1976 *promotionally* on the flip of the 1976 promo 45,
and yes, some stations and AT-40 DID play it in '76.
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Yes, the 1976 promo of "Dream On" had the short edit
on one side, or at least it's that way on my copy
(Columbia did often issue multiple promo singles of a
given song with different configurations).
Personally, I prefer the single edit...the song was a
big hit here in New England in the autumn of '73, and
that's what mostly got played. To my ears the part
leading into the first chorus that got edited sounded
tacked on to the LP version. YMMV.
As far as who did the edits on the other Columbia
singles, I don't know. Keep in mind that back then
the mono and stereo mixes were considered separate
projects, and the edits could have been made by
different people.
While some of the edits in "Are You Ready" are a bit
abrupt (to say the least), I like the concept...much
better than the infinite fade of the long version.
Someone, possibly JimCT (RIP) told me the edit points
between the mono & stereo edits were slightly
different.
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crapfromthepast wrote:
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Aaron could corroborate on this better, but when I was at a small station in Simcoe, Ontario, we used GoldDiscs from TM. They recreated the edit a half beat later, by trailing off the "wayyy" on to the start of the keyboard voice. So the "eeeee" is much less noticeable.
So it would sound more like "your wayyyyy - bum bum baaaaa dum." if that makes sense.
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OK this is what they should have done. Make the edit halfway between the first snare hit, and the second downbeat. Listen to this I just edited.
While They Had a Chance - They Should Have Taken It
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To Jody:
That sounded great!
Was that a crossfade or a hard edit?
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crapfromthepast wrote:
As if to
add insult to injury, most (all?)
of the 45 edits on CD sound muddy
and distorted.
The 45 edit first appeared on CD on
Time-Life's Sounds Of The
Eighties Vol. 18 The Early '80s
Take Two (1996), where it runs
4:05. Compared to the CD versions
of the LP version, this 45 version
sounds pretty bad. There's a
differently-EQ'd digital clone on
Time-Life's Classic Soft Rock
Vol. 3 Into The Night (2006).
The version on Island's
Revolutions The Very Best Of
Steve Winwood runs 4:08, and is
almost certainly a different analog
transfer than the Time-Life
version. I don't have this disc,
though, and can't comment on sound
quality.
In my own library, I recreated the
45 edit, since it's just one edit
(and no early fade). If you start
with the version on The Finer
Things box set (1995), just
remove 2.21.3-3.26.5, with the edit
falling exactly on a downbeat. It
would be great spot for an edit,
except for the ayyy-eeee thing.
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Regarding the SW compilation
Revolutions, the US release
contains the 45 edit of "While You
See a Chance", whereas the
European/UK has the full LP version
of the song.
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AndrewChouffi wrote:
To Jody:
That sounded great!
Was that a crossfade or a hard edit?
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A hard edit - and I never even changed the amplitude of either the take up or the out-splice. Just chop! I'm actually surprised it worked that well. I just timed the end of Steve's vocal, and matched it up to when he stopped singing.
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Your edit sounds much better, Jody. How the heck did Island Records let it out of the work
room that way? It was even used for the video. For what it's worth TM Century's homemade edit sounds better to me.
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