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Paul Haney
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Posted: 27 January 2021 at 5:22am \| IP Logged

Since there was such a good response to our first online meeting, I thought we might try it again.

I'm looking at Sunday - February 21st - preferably in the afternoon (say 3PM Central time).

The first one was fun, but kind of all over the place. I'd like to make this one a little more formatted.
Maybe going around the horn and having each person talk a little bit about themselves and sharing with the
group how they got started collecting and what and how they collect their music.

If you are interested in joining, drop me a PM (with your current e-mail address) and we'll go from there.

Hope to see you in February!

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Posted: 27 January 2021 at 9:10am \| IP Logged

Paul - I'm in!

I know there were a few people on the last call who were too shy to ask their questions, so I'd suggest soliciting questions from people in advance. The questions can be directed at specific people, or to the group as a whole.

Looking forward to it!

Thanks,
Ron G

(Oops - this was supposed to be a PM, but it works as a public post.)

Edited by crapfromthepast on 27 January 2021 at 2:17pm

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Posted: 27 January 2021 at 9:48am \| IP Logged

Good idea, Ron!

Again, I'd like to give everyone a chance to talk a little bit about themselves and their music collection.

However, if anyone can think of any general questions for the group (especially if you can't make the meeting),
then please feel free to post them in this thread!

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Posted: 27 January 2021 at 9:48am \| IP Logged

Also, I'd like to limit the meeting to around 15 or so participants. So please let me know as soon as you can!

Edited by Paul Haney on 27 January 2021 at 9:51am

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Posted: 27 January 2021 at 11:49am \| IP Logged

Paul Haney wrote:

Also, I'd like to limit the meeting
to around 15 or so participants. So please let me know
as soon as you can!

Any chance Joel could be one of those 15? I know it's a
no go but doesn't hurt to ask!

Paul Haney
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Posted: 29 January 2021 at 2:14am \| IP Logged

Thanks to everyone who has responded so far!

There's still a few spots open, so please drop me a PM if you think you'd be interested.

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Posted: 29 January 2021 at 5:45am \| IP Logged

I sent you a PM Paul. Hopefully I can make it in.

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Posted: 29 January 2021 at 6:56am \| IP Logged

Jody Thornton wrote:

I sent you a PM Paul. Hopefully I can make it in.

Thanks, Jody. You're in!

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Posted: 30 January 2021 at 9:27pm \| IP Logged

I would love to join, but I would have to be awake (and coherent) at 4am my
time. sigh...

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Posted: 31 January 2021 at 12:40pm \| IP Logged

It looks like we've now got a full house for the next Zoom meeting. As of today (Sunday - January 31st), everybody
who asked to participate should be in. Hopefully I got back to most of you (if I didn't, I apologize). It's still 3
weeks away yet, so let me know if you can't make it in case somebody else wants to join.

Thanks and hope to see you all then!

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Posted: 31 January 2021 at 12:47pm \| IP Logged

Looks like I got in, in the nick of time! I really enjoyed the last one and hope we continue to do them.

Paul Haney
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Posted: 03 February 2021 at 4:21am \| IP Logged

Just a quick update...

The meeting is now full. Thanks to everyone who responded.

I may even have a surprise guest or two.

I'll be posting reminders as we get closer to February 21st.

Should be fun!

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Posted: 03 February 2021 at 6:29am \| IP Logged

Hi Paul,

Not sure how I missed this thread. Let me know if a slot
opens up for me. I enjoyed it so much the first time
around I hate to miss it.

Dave

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Posted: 04 February 2021 at 7:25am \| IP Logged

I'm looking forward to it myself, really enjoyed the
last one.

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Posted: 05 February 2021 at 8:15pm \| IP Logged

I have a question for those who worked in radio at any
point time.

What was the determining factors of playing a new
song other than the issuance of a single?

It seemed Top 40 would wait as long as they could
before they began playing a new record. I know they
believed that any R&B or country crossover should be
fueled by a Top 10 on that chart first.

I'm from NY and our R&B stations were extremely
competitive and aggressive in what they played. They
were called by labels several times and told not to
play that song (atleast not yet anyway). WBLS and WRKS
would play album cuts (future singles) and in one case
gave the Commodores an unforeseen crossover mega-
seller in "Three times a lady" which was regarded by
Motown as filler. How aggressive were your PD's with
the "spice tracks" that other stations weren't playing
and were they ever told by labels to "Knock it off"?

Edited by AutumnAarilyn on 05 February 2021 at 8:16pm

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Posted: 05 February 2021 at 8:20pm \| IP Logged

Where did you read or hear that Motown regarded "Three Times a Lady" as filler? I guess nothing should surprise me, but that does. That really was the 1st piano-based, fully AC ballad hit for Lionel, and that style became a staple of what he wrote. Maybe the label thought of it as a 3rd or 4th single (which would be shortsighted) but just an album cut?

Sorry to get off your topic. I'm curious to what other people have to say to your main point.

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Posted: 05 February 2021 at 10:31pm \| IP Logged

Someone from Motown (perhaps Gordy himself called Hal
Jackson) who was program director of WBLS in 1978 in
NYC and told him to stop playing "Three times a lady"
as it wasn't a song they thought had any potential. By
1986, Hal hosted his own show, Sunday classics in
which he would discuss many of his many encounters
from the 30's to then present day. He made 96 and did
the show up until a week before his death in 2011.
Listening to Hal was like opening an encyclopedia.

Lionel made a solid career out of that sound but
before that they drove as hard as the Ohio Players on
the funk side.

You never know how things are going to shake out.
You'd think Mr. Gordy might have learned that the
first time when he almost didn't release Marvin's
"What's going on"Lp. Did you hear about that one,
Edison?

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Posted: 06 February 2021 at 1:35am \| IP Logged

The "What's Going On" story rings a vague bell. Did Gordy think it was too political a message and want Marvin to stick to more love-oriented topics or something?

Those Hal Jackson stories/shows sound like they were really good.

Paul Haney
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Posted: 06 February 2021 at 5:48am \| IP Logged

Adding records back then varied from market-to-market (and sometimes even station-to-station). In my
home market of Minneapolis/St. Paul (during the 1970s), the major Top 40 stations would only add
certain R&B crossovers if they were huge sellers. In 1981, WLOL went Top 40 and they started opening
up the market to more of those R&B hits. They were also more aggressive than KDWB on adding new
artists and as a result, their ratings were very solid for most of the decade. Ironically, by the late
1980s and early 1990s, KDWB suddenly got hot and ended up the big Top 40 winner, a position they still
hold today.

As for album cuts, KDWB played quite a few of them during the 1970s. Mostly the big rock artists,
catering to the upper mid-west listeners musical tastes at the time.

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Posted: 06 February 2021 at 7:32am \| IP Logged

Although I'm not questioning the accuracy of the
story, I find it somewhat hard to believe that Berry
Gordy would have a problem with a station playing
"Three Times A Lady" a little early.

Why?

'Natural High' the album was released in May without
an advance (or contemporaneous) single. Generally
when a label does that to a hit act it means they want
the radio stations and public to find "the hit". Well,
the stations found it...

This wasn't too common of a practice, although hit
bands like Three Dog Night oftentimes did it that way.

I do recall, though, many instances of a label having
a release strategy with singles and not wanting radio
to jump on an album track that might already be slated
as the third single when the second single hasn't been
released yet - basically they wanted maximum impact
with the forthcoming video they hadn't started on
yet..

Does anyone else have anything to add to this or
similar stories to tell?

Andy

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