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1990 - MORE THAN WORDS CAN SAY (dj copies of this 45 ran (3:39) not (3:35) as stated on the label and (3:52); commercial copies vinyl singles were all (3:39) but the cassette single runs (3:52))
has anyone looked into what the differnces are between the cassingle version (ie lp version) that runs 3:52 and the 3:39 vinyl 45 version.....is it an edit or a remix or a fade....anybody?
Edited by edtop40 on 21 November 2007 at 3:56pm
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Mine seems to fade out at 3:52.
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My promo CD single (DPRO 04637) has the following:
1-(Undescribed version) (listed 3:53; actual 3:52)
2-Single Remix (listed 3:35; actual 3:40)
Ed, since I'm POSITIVE you already own the Cassingle/LP Version, if you think the (3:39) vinyl 45 version would be the same version as the Cut 2, (3:40) "Single Remix" of my promo CD single, I'd be happy to shoot it out to you for your analysis.
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The 3:52 version I have, just checked, is from the Alias CD (LP version)
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jim....please do....i will compare the remix to the cassingle/lp version....
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there was no 7" vinyl for this tune that I know of...
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As I recall, the "single remix" wasn't a remix at all, but merely a crossfaded edit shortening the guitar solo.
Can anyone confirm?
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can anyone confirm cmmmbase's hunch that there was NO 7" vinyl 45 issued for this song....jim....do you have a commercial or promo vinyl 45 for this track???...i'm reviewing the file you sent as i type this....
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jim...it looks like these tracks are the same, to my ears, but the single remix is really just an edit......the songs are the same until the 2:21 mark, and then the guitars solo is edited down......it looks like they edited out about 0:12 of the guitar solo from 2:21 to 2:37(on the lp version).....the vocals start again at the 2:37 mark on the lp version while this remix version starts the vocals at 2:25....this would make the track tie out to a run time of 3:40.....question is.....did this ever appear as a vinyl 45??
i can't seam to locate a vinyl 45 anywhere....i checked ebay, music stack and gemm.com.....with no listing for a usa commercial vinyl 45 issued as EMI 50324.....
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Ed, my honest recollection is exactly the same as Chuck's - no stock 45 issued for Alias, but I'm far from positive about it. I DO remember that EMI was perhaps the FIRST major label to stop issuing stock 45s, and to offer "cassingles only", so this lends even further credibility to Chuck's belief here. I don't have organized boxes for promo 45s after 1989 (there were only a few of them issued), so I don't know where I may have filed them right now. Ed, whereas you embraced the "cassingle" format from the start (and thank goodness you did!!), I totally detested them from the very start, and my "stock single" collecting efforts stopped right on a dime, at that point. But Pat's stock/promo 45 notations are quite specific for "More Than Words Can Say", and, obviously, he's usually pretty accurate with them; I just know I didn't provide those details to him. Perhaps Pat's just taking some well-deserved time off over this holiday weekend, and he could perhaps confirm his current 45 song notes when he gets back on-line.
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Beginning in late 1990, I did some work for a jukebox operator and helped with the buying of 45s. If there was a 45 of Alias at the time, I would have bought it for the company...
Edited by cmmmbase on 23 November 2007 at 10:39pm
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I've never seen a 7" vinyl single for this song.
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Jumping over to GEMM real quick, there are vinyl 7" copies of this song. Apparently, from the UK. Wonder which version it is on those 7" copies...
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AndrewChouffi wrote:
As I recall, the "single remix" wasn't a remix at all, but merely a crossfaded edit shortening the guitar solo.
Can anyone confirm?
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Yes, Andy, you are absolutely correct in your analysis here. There is a crossfaded edit of the guitar solo on the single version and therefore it cannot be correctly replicated simply by doing a straight edit of the LP version.
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Todd Ireland wrote:
| There is a crossfaded edit of the guitar solo on the single version and therefore it cannot be correctly replicated simply by doing a straight edit of the LP version. |
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Rats, did an edit that I sent to Ed to confirm if it matched his 'remix'. Guess not, if it's crossfaded. Crossfading would definitely make the edit sound smoother.
Guess I'm off to find one of those UK 45's...
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eriejwg:
If you need a copy of the 45 version simply to hear the crossfaded edit, send me a private message and I'll be happy to supply you with an mp3 of it from my promo CD single.
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I've sent Todd my 'recreation' that I did in Audition. Have used Audition for a LONG time for cleaning up vinyl and editing digital files to 45 versions, this was my maiden voyage into the world of multi-tracking!
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pat...you may want to update the db with the note that this song was NEVER issued as a commercial vinyl 45 in the usa....
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Going back to listen to my recreation, while I was a beat off, didn't sound too bad. Obviously, I created a 'neither', but, I think with some work, the crossfade could be recreated. I just didn't have the patience to go back to another multitrack session..
Thanks to Todd for the comparison promo to guide me...
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A question for anybody who owns (or is familiar with) Swaitek's The A List series:
Can you please confirm for me whether the edited version of Alias' More Than Words Can Say which appears on one of the discs in this set, is the correct 45 version or merely an attempt to recreate it? I ask because I have acquired a copy of this disc recently and that crossfade in the guitar break sounds a little clumsy to my ears.
Thanks in advance.
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