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Is anyone familiar with a radio edit of "Paradise City"? There was one but I can't seem to find anyone who remembers it. I prefered it much more than the long drawn out LP version. In fact I recorded it off the radio back when the song was out and I still have the tape. I'd be happy to dig it out and send someone an MP3 copy of it if they are curious (even though my copy chops off the beginning few seconds.) Does anyone have a good copy of this edit?
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If the radio station you listened to played an edit, it must have been their own. I've looked for one, but the only Geffen promo copies I can find have the full-length LP version. Even on G'N'R discography web sites where all of their promo 45s and CDs are listed, there is no mention of a shorter "Paradise City."
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I also taped the edit heard on the radio at the time and have recreated it from my copy Appetite for Desctruction. I didn't make notes at the time, but it involved removing pretty much all of the guitar solos and included an out-of-sequence edit. I think my version clocks in at about 4:10--I'll have to check tonight. Shoot me a PM and we can compare versions.
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RichM921
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I have transferred my copy of the edit into an MP3, and listening to it again, I can now hear where that "out of sequence edit" is that you mentioned. I hadn't realized that they did that before. But I think it's what cuts out the middle guitar solo bridging "take me home" and "so far away." Anyway, if anyone wants a copy of what I have so they can recreate it, let me know.
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Rich:
Can relate to your search for edits of Guns N' Roses songs. Been looking myself for a long time, only to be disappointed when not only stock, but promos have the LP versions.
I've located a seller online that has an edit of Paradise City....for $39.95. Can contact them, if you'd like, to see if they'd like to bargain...
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Is it a USA promo that you found? If so, you've definitely uncovered a rare gem! Did the edits that you both taped off the radio come from the same station? If not, did they match up?
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No Aaron, It's a UK promo.
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My recording was taken from WRBQ (Q105) in Tampa, FL. But upon further investigation (listening to more of the tape) I may have recorded it from "Casey's Top 40" since other songs on the tape have Casey Kasem's voice after them. ("American Top 40" by that time had Shadoe Stevens, so it had to be "Casey's Top 40")
$39.95 is a lot for that promo. And the edit he has may not even be the right one. I'd be happy with a good re-creation.
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I just listened to Rich's copy taken from WRBQ and it exactly matches the version that I taped off 99 1/2 WLOL in Minneapolis, so this appears to be more than just an "in-house" edit. Intersting...
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Well, if either of you would like to send an mp3 of your cassette dub, I can probably re-create the edit in a matter of minutes. I agree that $40 is a lot to pay for something that might not even be what you're looking for.
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An additional note--unlike Rich's copy, the version I have on tape was definitely not from Casey's Top 40 or any other syndicated show. It is part of an unscoped aircheck, so I can say with 100% certainty that it was the version used in normal rotation by WLOL. I suspect that KDWB, the Twin Cities other top 40 station at the time, also played this edit as I don't remember hearing different versions between the two stations. I could be wrong though.
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aaronk - I'd be happy to send you a copy of the edit I recorded off the radio in 1989. Just let me know your e-mail.
995wlol - Glad to know the versions we recorded were the same. I'm not sure if I recorded it during Casey or not, but I certainly remember hearing that edit quite a bit on the radio. Either way, I think we can safely assume that this was a nationally distributed edit. After all, it's a long way from Minneapolis to Tampa!
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I know it's almost 5 years later, but did we ever determine the source of
the edited version?
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Found a 4:12 edit in the bowels on the interwebs. Seems legit.
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I subscribed to Radio & Records at the time, which often arrived with DJ 45s stuffed inside the mailing envelope. "Paradise City" was among those, and the DJ 45 I received had the 6:46 LP version on both sides.
1988-89 was a period when many CHR PDs across the country actively networked with one another. The "rediscovery" and subsequent success of earlier U.S. stiffs from the likes of Benny Mardones, Sheriff and Synch was a direct result of their combined efforts. The likelihood of an in-house "Paradise City" edit making the rounds during this time frame isn't a stretch at all.
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Hold on--let's be fair on Benny Mardones. "Into The Night" hit #11 the first time around (1980), #20 the second (1989). Hardly a stiff the first time out.
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Whoops, I shouldn't have tossed Benny into the stiff pile (although his Curb remake was in there.)
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Does anyone who was working in radio in 1988/89 know the reason that "Paradise City" was never issued on a promo CD? All of the other singles from Appetite For Destruction were issued on promo CD singles.
Welcome To The Jungle (PRO-CD-2668)
Sweet Child O' Mine (PRO-CD-3077 & PRO-CD-3147)
Paradise City (no known promo CD)
Nightrain (PRO-CD-3625)
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As you know, Aaron, that 1988/89 timeframe still had conflicted opinions
on the promo CD single vs promo 45 issue for radio. Industry confusion
existed. I remember we were getting asked, by both a number of label
reps and some trade magazines, during phone reports of our weekly
playlist, about our station's own preference. Don't forget, there were still
many veteran label execs, veteran label reps, and veteran radio PDs/MDs
in the biz back then. The P CD single answer seems quite obvious now,
but some folks weren't initially all that quick to embrace change, and
abandon making (or getting in) promo 7" vinyl. Within a few months,
however, these vinyl stragglers were quieted.
Labels were trying everything then, trying to best gauge the situation. Like
send out a promo CD single, but no promo 45 for a song, and then see if
there was any radio outrage? And then do it vice versa? Any radio outrage
that way? The labels surely didn't want to produce both media for radio
for any length of time, as it added *major* expense. But they didn't want
to be perceived as "dropping the radio ball", either. Several record reps
told us this directly. Like "Can you please help me? My boss asked me to
gather feedback for my territory's stations this week. What do you prefer
to receive? Please be honest! Promo 45s, P CD singles, or these 'monthly
label new release CD comps'" (which some label execs far preferred,
feeling that P CD singles were horribly inefficient, since most used only 5-
10 minutes of their 80 minute audio capacity.)
For "Paradise City", I just thought Geffen knew that we already had the full
CD, and also knew that the LP Version would be the "single version".
Maybe Geffen was hoping that radio would become comfortable playing
"only one version" songs right off the full CD. (Which they didn't.) If they
had, it would've saved the labels a lot of money, not having to press up P
CD singles that were musically identical to the LP version.
Or, after GNR's first two hits, maybe the band was finally feeling confident
enough to express their "BTW-we hate radio edits of our songs - LP
Versions only to radio, please" preference to Geffen. I mean, do we really
know how long Geffen actually had GNR signed up for? It could've been as
short as a 1-LP deal, with maybe a label option for a 2nd and/or 3rd
album. That was the standard "let's see how it goes" label contract, for a
new, unknown group's first deal. It actually suited both parties, if you
think about it. Looks to me like Geffen liked how many LPs GNR's debut
were selling, and wanted to keep them happy early on, hoping to lock
them up for a while.
I'm not sure we'll ever know exactly why there was no P CD single for
"Paradise City", other than it came out during a time of label transition, for
radio's promo sources. By 1990, the labels were basically all in lockstep. P
CD singles were the standard promo label issue, and promo 45s were just
about totally extinct. Experimentation over; format consistency arrives.
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Good info, Jim! 1988 was absolutely a year where several major hits
were only issued on promo 45. I've never seen promo CDs for songs
like "Every Rose Has It's Thorn", "Father Figure", or "Never Gonna
Give You Up". By contrast, nearly all major hits from 1989 were issued
on promo CD. I just found it odd that a song like "Paradise City"
would've been skipped over on the promo CD format, especially
considering that nearly 7-minute songs don't fit easily on a 45 without
dropping the volume level.
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