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crapfromthepast
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Was there an edited version issued on a US promo CD single?
I found an edit on Now That's What I Call Music 19 (Virgin EMI PolyGram UK CD NOW 19, 1991, run time 4:08), and I would guess that this was the version on the UK single. All the other versions I've seen are the 5:11 LP version.
Here are instructions for creating this UK edit, with timings based on Big Hits '91 (PolyTel 845 832-2, 1991):
Keep 0:00.0-3:43.9 of the LP version.
Edit on the snare following the words "we outta here/that's why we pray".
Remove the 128 beats from 3:43.9-4:47.1.
Keep 4:47.1-5:14.5 (end) of the LP version.
As with "U Can't Touch This", the sound quality of "Pray" is all over the map, depending on the CD source.
The edited version on Now That's What I Call Music 19 has the most natural-sounding EQ, and doesn't clip at all. I think this sounds the best, out of the CDs I have, even if the tapes are a generation removed from the US CDs.
The version on Big Hits '91 runs a close second, also with no clipping. Based on my experience with PolyTel, this version is probably fairly close to Please Hammer Don't Hurt Em, which I don't have.
Rhino's New Millennium Hip Hop Party clips severely.
Sounds Of The '90s - 1990 (Time-Life, 2001) is the most disappointing of the bunch. In addition to clipping, the left/right channels are reversed, and the EQ is incredibly grating, with WAY too much high-end. In the mastering world, I've heard this type of EQ referred to as "ear bleeding".
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Sorry I missed this one last night, Ron - good to know we still had "solid staff coverage" on the Board, even on Christmas Eve Night. I say, give that man a raise! :)
We got in two different promo CD singles for this. The first (DPRO-79285) has the following, with no listed times:
1-Radio Edit (actual 4:08)
2-LP Version (actual 5:11)
3-Instrumental (actual 4:41)
The second promo CD single (DPRO-79459) has the following:
1-Jam The Hammer Mix (listed & actual 5:00)
2-Slam The Hammer Mix (listed & actual 8:01)
3-Slam The Hammer Piano Dub (listed & actual 5:26)
4-Hit Um Hard Mix (listed 5:25; actual 5:21)
5-Nail Um Down Chant (listed 4:56; actual 4:55)
6-Slam The Hammer Dub (listed & actual 6:40)
Edited by jimct on 26 December 2007 at 12:34am
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In addition, there was a U.S. promo 45 of "Pray" with two versions. In keeping with Capitol protocol of the era, both sides had different numbers.
7PRO-79284: Radio Edit
7PRO-79295: LP Version
The British 45, Capitol CL 599, had the following.
Side A: Radio Edit
Side B: Jam the Hammer Mix
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Did the edit or LP version get airplay back in 1990? I noticed that
Billboard Top Hits 1990 uses the LP version and they normally
include all the single versions of the songs.
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Airplay probably varied from station to station. I
believe the stations around here played the full album
version, but in general it didn't have as much airplay as
"U Can't Touch This", despite peaking higher on the
chart.
The Billboard compilations tended to use whatever was
issued as the commercial single version, but in this case
the 45 had the Radio Edit as its A-Side and the Cassette
Single had the LP Version for its A-Side, so not sure how
they decided which version to use in that case. (Unless
they went with the LP Version because the 45 with the
edit was technically a promo).
Edited by thecdguy on 27 May 2020 at 10:40am
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Probably because the commercial cassette single was the official
single. I just can't remember what version my local radio station
played.
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chendagam wrote:
Probably because the commercial cassette
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That is correct. For that particular series, Rhino sent
us the versions they were planning to use and we had to
verify that they were the correct commercial single
versions. There were a couple of times they had the wrong
versions and we had to let them know about it.
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Just wanted to point out that there is a third promo CD Single listed on Discogs that seems to match what TimNeely mentioned about the US promo 45.
MC Hammer - "Pray" (Capitol Records 7PRO-79284)
1. Radio Edit (4:08)
2. LP Version (5:26)
Can't confirm the running times since I don't have the disc myself, but this appears to be pretty much the same as (DPRO-79285) with the exception of the Instrumental Version.
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I believe that listing is for the promo 45 but says “CD” in error. Capitol
never used the prefix 7PRO for any of their promo CD singles, and also
the matrix info listed on the page says “Side One” and “Side Two.”
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Ah, interesting! I thought the "7PRO" thing seemed off, now I know why. I didn't even notice the matrix numbers at all.
I notice there's also a commercial US CD Single whose track listing is basically the same as the DPRO-79459 promo, with the tracks in a different order and Track 6 from the promo, "Slam The Hammer Dub", removed and replaced with the LP Version of "U Can't Touch This".
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