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maciav
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Posted: 05 June 2006 at 11:42am \| IP Logged

I was wondering if somebody could help me with this. I have The Association's "Cherish" on several CDs, and on everyone of them there is a scratchy, static-type sound that occurs between 2:38 and 2:45 of the song (my discs all have the Stereo-LP version). Is there any disc that doesn't have this noise, or was it mastered that way? Additionally, does anybody anticipate this coming out again soon in its 45-version? I don't want to have to invest big bucks for a used Dick Bartley Greatest Love Songs CD if I don't have to (it seems to be the only way to get the 45-version). Thanks to anyone who can help me.

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Posted: 06 June 2006 at 6:25am \| IP Logged

Pat,

Can you help me with this? Have you ever noticed this noise?

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Posted: 06 June 2006 at 6:41am \| IP Logged

I just listened to Cherish on the Association's Greatest Hits cd and I do not hear any static or any other problem between 2:38 and 2:45 - sorry!

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Posted: 06 June 2006 at 7:56am \| IP Logged

Thanks Pat. My discs containing "Cherish" are "The Association - The Essentials" and "Billboard's Top Pop Hits of 1966". They are both Rhino discs, and they both have noise unless I am hearing things. Do you have these discs to check? Thank you.

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Posted: 18 January 2008 at 9:41am \| IP Logged

Regarding the mono 45 version, what are the differences between that and the LP version?

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Posted: 18 January 2008 at 10:00am \| IP Logged

One of the two "and I do. . .cherish you" passages is edited out (I think it's the first one, but don't quote me).

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Posted: 18 January 2008 at 5:55pm \| IP Logged

Hit a corner record shop and picked up a really nice 45 of this today...

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Posted: 06 March 2009 at 11:57am \| IP Logged

Our commercial copy of "Cherish" by The Association (Valiant 747) states a time of (3:00), but actually runs (3:12).

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Posted: 06 March 2009 at 3:26pm \| IP Logged

Wanted to revisit this one. Besides the edit that Doug mentioned, which is correct, the 45 run slightly faster than the LP.

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Posted: 18 August 2009 at 10:10pm \| IP Logged

eriejwg wrote:

sriv94 wrote:

Regarding the mono 45 version, what are the differences between that and the LP version?

One of the two "and I do. . .cherish you" passages is edited out (I think it's the first one, but don't quote me).

So does this mean that a stereo 45 version can be successfully replicated from the stereo LP version, or is there missing or unique audio in the mono 45 that would not make this possible?

maciav wrote:

Actually, when using heaphones I have noticed what sounds like some distortion on all stereo LP version appearances between 2:35-2:44 right after the word "you" in the following verses:

You don't know how many times I've wished that I had told you (brief distortion then occurs)
You don't know how many times I've wished that I could hold you (brief distortion occurs again, only more loudly)

The distortion sounds sort of like the static-like noise that occurs when turning a dirty knob on a mixing board. I do not hear this distortion at all on the mono 45 version.

One more thing... the pitch of the LP version seems to vary from CD to CD with the 3:21 length being the fastest to the 3:25 time being the slowest. Does anyone know the correct LP time and speed?

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Posted: 27 October 2009 at 4:41pm \| IP Logged

Todd,
Thank you for helping me with this. It is good to know that after 3.5 years I was not hearing things. I always wondered about this, and you helped to explain it!
Thanks again!

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Posted: 27 March 2016 at 9:40pm \| IP Logged

sriv94 wrote:

One of the two "and I do. . .cherish you" passages is edited out (I think it's the first one, but don't quote me).

Two "and I do......cherish you" passages edited out, the very last two before the final "cherish...is.......the....word...."

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Posted: 04 February 2022 at 3:58pm \| IP Logged

Can someone tell me where "Cherish" on JCI's 1996 CD "Only
Rock 'N' Roll: #1 Radio Hits 1965-1969" is sourced from? I
would assume it's just off the old Association's Greatest
Hits disc (which I don't own), but just wanted to see if
anyone here had done an A/B comparison and knew for sure. I
don't think I have the stereo mix on any other disc in my
collection currently.

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Posted: 04 February 2022 at 5:05pm \| IP Logged

I have a copy of Dick Bartley "Rock & Roll Love Songs" a 1999 printing that seems to be a mono recording, might be a fold-down.

I don't hear the distorted area in question (2:38 - 2:45), though I thought I did hear a couple pops like a needledrop would make. Most prominent at 00:50.
Overall, I'd say the copy on this disc is pretty poor in general. Maybe it's lifted from a 45? I'm going to go looking for a stereo version to compare.

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AdvprosD wrote:

I have a copy of Dick Bartley "Rock &
Roll Love Songs" a 1999 printing that seems to be a mono
recording, might be a fold-down.

I don't hear the distorted area in question (2:38 -
2:45), though I thought I did hear a couple pops like a
needledrop would make. Most prominent at 00:50.
Overall, I'd say the copy on this disc is pretty poor in
general. Maybe it's lifted from a 45? I'm going to go
looking for a stereo version to compare.

I was once told that certain Dick Bartley discs contained
a track or two sourced from vinyl needledrops in Dick's
own collection (typically housed on broadcast carts). If
it wasn't in the budget to locate a tape source, I assume
that was the next best thing. The stereo mix of Aaron
Neville's "Tell It Like It Is" on Collector's Essentials
is one such example.

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Posted: 04 February 2022 at 6:28pm \| IP Logged

Quick write-up:

The oldest mastering I have is on Time-Life's Superhits Vol. 1 1966, where it sounds fine but the levels are a little low. The same analog transfer is used on:

Time-Life's AM Gold Vol. 9 1966 (1995)
JCI's Only Rock 'N' Roll #1 Radio Hits 1965-1969 (1996)
Time-Life's Heart Of Rock 'N' Roll Vol. 20 1965-1966 RE-1 reissue (1997)

There's a new analog transfer of Rhino's Billboard Top Pop Hits 1966 (1995), which runs a teeny bit faster and is EQ'd with much more high end.

There's still another analog transfer on Mystic Music's 2-CD Groovin' (1992), which has its left and right channels swapped.

I'm partial to the Rhino mastering myself, but I like the boosted high end.

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Posted: 04 February 2022 at 7:15pm \| IP Logged

Is maciav still hanging around this forum? I'd be happy to provide the mono version I have on the D.B. Rock & Roll Love Songs. IIRC, I picked it up on ebay for like 9 or 10,
bucks a few years ago. I also listened to the 1966 Superhits that Ron mentioned above. On the disc I have, I didn't detect any of the scratchy noise maciav described. I did
hear a diminished "Pop" sound again at the 00:50 point. More like 00:50.5 on this stereo recording. Sounds like the same noise with a hint of NR applied to remove it.

I sure was surprised to hear nothing in the right channel for a few seconds though. I know that kind of stuff was popular to do at the time. I had thought my headphones
were messing up at first.

Edited by AdvprosD on 04 February 2022 at 7:16pm

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Posted: 04 February 2022 at 8:20pm \| IP Logged

One more: I can trace the mastering on Superhits as being the same analog transfer as the Warner Special Products Association collection called Songs That Made Them Famous (1984), but shortening the very tail of the fade by a few seconds.

I still prefer the Rhino disc.

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Posted: 05 February 2022 at 6:17am \| IP Logged

Hi People,

Please keep in mind a few CDs have that
Godawful Haeco-CSG
processing on "Cherish" that was first
introduced on the
vinyl 'Association's Greatest Hits' LP, and
subsequently
made it to the 'Association's Greatest Hits'
CD.

Andy

Edited by AndrewChouffi on 06 February 2022 at 10:14am

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Posted: 05 February 2022 at 10:13pm \| IP Logged

Reading about the Haeco-CSG process on Wikipedia, it got me wondering if this process might be a benefit to internet radio stations, which are often listened to on (mono) smartphone speakers and (mono) smart speakers like Amazon Alexa Dot and Google's Nest.

Does anybody know of any FM stations that have used the process to compensate for listeners using alarm clock radios and small transistor radios?

Edited by NightAire on 05 February 2022 at 10:14pm

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