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I got sent an mp3 of this song (from England) in mono. It is slightly different from my stereo mix on "Your Hit Parade - 1959". At :26 and 1:02, the stereo has a drum hit that is not oh the mono and Guy's vocal sounds different in places (most noticeable at :40 when in the mono he holds the word "Heartache" longer than in the stereo).
So, do we have another mono/stereo (i.e., 45 vs. stereo LP difference here?). Perhaps a different vocal, or just in parts (it's happened before).
Pat, could you check your mono version on "The Fabulous Fifties - Unforgettable Fifties" and compare with your stereo version?
I could send you (or anyone) an MP3 of this one if you like to compare.
Edited by davidclark on 20 June 2006 at 4:34pm
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I fortunately have the "Unforgettable Fifties" CD. Another reason to go after the mono mixes, I'm telling you!
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It could also be an england/america difference, as there are quite a few UK singles where the differences are sometimes very small between versions released in the USA...
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could be and England/U.S. difference, Tom. The way to find out is if someone has the 45, or if someone who has the heartland "The Fabulous Fifties - Unforgettable Fifties" CD could check it out.
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Okay, David, here's what I found:
The stereo version and mono version on the Heartland CD have no take differences.
I have the alternate mono version you're referring to on a New Zealand CD called "Memories are Made of This," and you're right... it at the least is a different mix with some vocal sections from a different take. The drums are not as pronounced in the alternate mix, and there could be an extra guitar in there. The background vocals sound a bit louder. The mix overall sounds denser than the Heartland CD (also more distorted). It may be an entirely different recording. However, the liner notes do say copyright 1959 Sony Music. It's also not impossible that the mono version on the Heartland CD is a fold-down, though there are other stereo tracks on that CD, so I don't know why they'd do that.
So... either could be the single version. We'll have to see if we can obtain an original 45 and verify.
I'm glad you discovered that!
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I saw this a couple of years ago while tooling around, and thought this might give some insight...
http://www.belle49.freeserve.co.uk/guy/heart.htm
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Thanks, vanmeter! That's an amazing Guy Mitchell site. I still want to get the original 45, but it sounds from that discography like what I've been calling the alternate mix is actually the original mono 45 version, and what has become the standard version is an alternate take!
However, it says the stereo version was issued as a 33rpm stereo single in 1959... so it can legitimately be called "stereo 45 version."
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wow! good goin', guys! I am impressed that we were able to get to the bottom of this. Amazing what fans will put up on the Internet [I even found a...er...um...Mantovani site that answered a question I had about his "Around The World" recordings].
So, seems that two different takes were issued in 1959, the original 45 being the one I discuss above and the latter one becoming the definitive one we've all heard in stereo all these years.
Hopefully someone has the ORIGINAL mono Columbia 4-41476 45 to verify our conclusion.
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I have been out of town for a week so it is interesting reviewing the old posts and this one is quite a find! I have the original Columbia 45 4-41476 and this version is not found on any of the domestic cd's listed in the database.
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Thanks, Pat! You saved me having to buy the 45.
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Digging up this old thread over 15 years later in assembling the 1955-1959 period on CD realizing that this #1 hit is not on CD in its correct 45 version in Mono or Stereo. Has anyone found a source for it domestically or overseas that is not the alternate take? Is the 45 dub and the LP in stereo the only places to get this #1?
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Rich,
The 45 is available (mono only...no stereo for it) on Hit Parade's "Hard To Find
Jukebox Classics 1959: Pop Gold". The stereo "alternate take" was on the
stereo 33 1/3 and is on numerous CDs.
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The mono 45 version is also on this licensed CD from Sony-BMG, from tape source, commonly found in gift shops such as Hallmark:
https://www.discogs.com/release/5834979-Various-20-Original- Hits-Songs-Of-1959
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