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edtop40
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Posted: 24 December 2006 at 10:48pm \| IP Logged

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the 45's face states a run time of 3:38 while the 45 actually runs 3:45 like the db entries....

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Posted: 04 October 2016 at 8:19pm \| IP Logged

Ed mentions in this thread the 45 runs 3:45. In another
thread, abagon mentioned the 45 runs 3:47.

Are there speed differences between the two 45
pressings, or does Ed's 45 fade out earlier?

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Posted: 06 October 2016 at 11:14am \| IP Logged

Also isn't there a spoken female part over the intro of the LP version (something to the effect of "somethings stay forever ...etc")? That's removed for the radio version I think.

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Posted: 06 October 2016 at 4:56pm \| IP Logged

john, i just re-timed my 45 and it indeed does run 3:47
like abagon's....my timing metrix must have off back in
2006......ten years ago!!!!!!!!!!!.............wow, we're
getting old!!!!!!!....but it could be 3:46..

Edited by edtop40 on 06 October 2016 at 4:57pm

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Posted: 09 October 2016 at 11:18am \| IP Logged

Is the spoken female on the intro of your 45, Ed?

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Posted: 16 October 2016 at 2:32pm \| IP Logged

the first vocals are at 0:30 of the song and sounds like a
guy not a girl....he sing 'love comes down upon us flow
like water....is that what you are referring to?......there
is no spoken words before the music starts...

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Posted: 20 October 2016 at 10:05pm \| IP Logged

The vocal I hear, that Jody references above, happens
from :13-:22. "Some things stay forever...etc."

Could this be a 45 v LP version difference if Ed doesn't
hear this on his 45?

Is there a digital version that doesn't have the above
vocal?

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Posted: 21 October 2016 at 9:22am \| IP Logged

Until I saw this thread and checked out the video on YouTube, I'd never heard the female vocal on the intro. I've never heard that version of the song, in the 32 years since the song came out.

I'll check tonight, but I'm 99.9% sure that these CDs don't have the female vocal on the intro:

Priority's Rock Of The 80's Vol. 7
EMI's Living In Oblivion Vol. 5
Rhino's Just Can't Get Enough Vol. 13

Edited by crapfromthepast on 21 October 2016 at 9:24am

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Posted: 21 October 2016 at 3:12pm \| IP Logged

Thanks for the early detective work. I'll be eager to
see how Pat classifies this in the database.

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Posted: 21 October 2016 at 5:01pm \| IP Logged

The mix with the female spoken part was also one of the mixes on the 12" single. I only heard it there in the 80s.
Right now, the online digital version of of the 12" "Dance Vault Mixes" lists this mix as the single version, but we know it was not. It may have been in the UK. I do know that these descriptions in the majors' digital databases are a mess.
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Posted: 21 October 2016 at 5:30pm \| IP Logged

Could be the UK single version on iTunes etc listed as
the single version.

I came across a cleaned up vinyl dub of the 12" online
and no female spoken part. I also listed to the version
on Rhino's Just Can't Enough and no female spoken part,
though it fades 2 seconds early at 3:45.

The vinyl 12" dub I heard, and apparently Ed's 45 both
run 3:47. Last part sung on the 12" is "...finding our
way..."

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Posted: 21 October 2016 at 6:10pm \| IP Logged

Confirmed that the above three discs don't have the female spoken part, along with

Time-Life's 2-CD Modern Rock Vol. 3 1984-1985 (1999)
Classic Alternatives Vol. 4 (2000) - a 5:17 extended version

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Posted: 21 October 2016 at 6:42pm \| IP Logged

I never bought this Arista 45 in '84 and (like Ron) do not recall ever hearing a spoken female part over the intro. If Ed has an original 45 and hears no spoken female part then those discs Ron has already identified above should be labeled 45 version (if they run 3:47 or there about). Thanks to Ron I also went to youtube to listen and watch the video. Did MTV play this video a lot back in '84? If they did then I have no memory of that one. This might be one of a few '80s music videos that used some other version or mix instead of the US 45 version.

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Posted: 21 October 2016 at 11:32pm \| IP Logged

Just to clarify, the mix with spoken part in the intro
was
not on the primary 12" version, it was one of the shorter
mixes on side B of the 12". I do not recall what it was
described as.

[EDIT]: I had to google to find the version of the 12" I
owned..turns out I had the second Arista promo release
with 3 versions on it. The short version was simply
labeled "single version" as it is in the digital 12".
Shown here:
http://www.45worlds.com/12single/record/adp9187

And I found this info that sheds some light:
"In the U.S., Arista Records refused to release the
record unless some changes were made. First, the track
was remixed slightly in order to remove a brief spoken-
word intro that was heard over the opening bars of music.
(The woman performing this intro was identified only as
Mariella on the original Situation Two single sleeve.)
Then the song title was reversed, becoming Whisper to a
Scream (Birds Fly). This change was made so that the
records primary title would match the words sung
repeatedly in the chorus, making it easier for radio
listeners to track down the record in the stores.

Finally, Arista shortened the bands name to Icicle
Works, removing the initial The. With these changes
made, in the summer of 1984 Whisper to a Scream (Birds
Fly) by Icicle Works reached #37 on the Billboard Hot
100 chart and #34 on Cashboxs singles chart.

Just to make things a little more confusing, the Canadian
version of the single (credited to The Icicle Works) used
the original UK mix with the spoken word intro, but the
revised US title Whisper to a Scream (Birds Fly). This
was the most successful commercial release of the single,
reaching #19 on the Canadian charts in the summer of
1984."

Edited by MMathews on 22 October 2016 at 3:15pm

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Posted: 23 October 2016 at 9:38am \| IP Logged

Mystery solved!

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Posted: 08 September 2018 at 8:12am \| IP Logged

BTW, this song appears on the double CD One Hit Wonders (BMG Special Products 48882) but that listing is currently missing in the online database.

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Posted: 19 November 2021 at 7:05am \| IP Logged

I actually found this version on a Deluxe Edition of
Icicle Works. It's track
9 on CD 1. So, is this the original mix or U.K. LP
Version, or what would it be called? Discogs doesn't
elaborate on it. I'm assuming that it may be the LP
Version because CD 1 in this edition is the original
album. The other 2 discs are remixes and alternate
versions. The Same version is on the Stranger Things S2
soundtrack and The Best of Icicle Works. Can anyone
confirm if the LP version is this same version?

https://www.discogs.com/release/1170277-The-Icicle-
Works-
The-Icicle-Works

Edited by MikeM on 19 November 2021 at 2:47pm

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