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Pat already does a great job in explaining all of the databases' LP/45 version distinctions for the many CD appearances, but I just wanted to add that my commercial 45, and both mono sides of my promo 45, all show a listed time of (3:40), but all have an actual time of (3:56).
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Has there ever been a discussion as to why the volume on the 45 version starts to fade normally around 3:27, then suddenly gets louder again at 3:45, then completely fades out?
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That kind of thing would drive a person crazy.
Can you imagine playing it for the first time and thinking you had dead air?
Unless it was properly marked by your PD.
Elvis' "Suspicious Minds" had a false fade out too.
Pauses in songs have always intrigued me.
"Monday Monday", "The Little Girl I Once Knew", "Do You Love Me" and "Judy In Disguise" all has pauses or stops.
Must have been an artistic thing.
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bwolfe wrote:
Elvis' "Suspicious Minds" had a false fade out too.
Pauses in songs have always intrigued me.
"Monday Monday", "The Little Girl I Once Knew", "Do You Love Me" and "Judy In Disguise" all has pauses or stops.
Must have been an artistic thing.
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Supposedly "Suspicious Minds" was done this way to replicate the way he performed it live.
"Do You Love Me" was kind of an odd one since it almost sounds like a mistake when recording/mastering it...almost like the engineer thought the song was over & quickly faded it only to realize they were still singing. Definitely not your standard false ending.
I remember in the early 70s when some Top 40 stations were playing a few selected album cuts, a station I worked at was playing "Molina" by CCR which has a very long (~5 second) false end. The station carted the song with the false end shortened.
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bwolfe wrote:
Pauses in songs have always intrigued me.
"Monday Monday", "The Little Girl I Once Knew", "Do You Love Me" and "Judy In Disguise" all has pauses or stops.
Must have been an artistic thing.
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Couple of other classic ones would be the Young Rascals' "Good Lovin'" and James Taylor's take on "How Sweet It Is."
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I'll add the Byrds' "Turn! Turn! Turn!" to the list.
The first AM station I worked at had an antenna current meter that would purposely engage only when one pushed an "audio cut" button while taking meter readings. While this resulted in an accurate reading, it also caused a blatantly obvious decrease in modulation while that button was held down. On many occasions, I took adavantage of the pauses in the "Monday, Monday"s and "Turn! Turn! Turn!"s of the music world to unobtrusively comply with FCC regs. :)
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Do Ya Love Me" was not a false fade, but the band got quiet, then built it up again. I guess it was some sort of dance gimmick from the early 60s.
Now, I read that Marvin Gaye purposely faded "What's Going On" just to piss off the station DJs, like getting in the last word.
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I had a radio instructor who once told me the false early fade on songs like "What's Going On", "Suspicious Minds", and "Do You Love Me" were put there as a guide for DJs so they'd know when to begin manually fading out the record to avoid exceeding the 3:00 run time threshold most stations abided by in those days. My instructor also claimed that if DJs didn't want the song to fade early, then they could simply "ride the gain" by gradually turning the volume up louder as the fade was in progress and then potting the volume back down when the music grew loud again. One thing making me question that explanation though is, why would the commercial 45 copies also contain the false early fades?
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."Do Ya Love Me" was not a false fade, but the band got quiet, then built it up again.
I don't think it was band getting quiet. You can ride the gain on that fade and it's like the record just plays through
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my commercial 45 for the marvin gaye song 'what's going on'
issued as tamla 54201 starts with a 'whopp' sound before
the music begins.....it sounds also like an echo
effect......the 'anthology' cd version edits off this
sound.....do any of the cd's claiming to have the '45
version' on it actually contain the 'whopp' echo on the
intro?...btw, the 'anthology' cd version sounds almost mono
as noted in the db as 'very poor stereo separation'...
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Ed, I don't hear any "whopp" sound before the beginning of the music on my commercial 45 (a vinyl Columbia Santa Maria pressing, although the lacquer was cut by RCA Custom.)
But there is tape bleed-through just before the song begins (that "pre-echo effect.") It isn't part of the actual session recording; it's a result of the magnetic charges on the tape transferring to the silent portion preceding it (with which it remains in contact, once the tape is wound on the reel.) That "pre-echo" could have been avoided if they'd spliced in some non-magnetic leader tape ahead of the first note when the 45 was cut.
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yah shure, that's odd.....mark was kind enough to send me a
wave file of the hitsville box set version and it HAS the
'whoop' intro on it and matches perfectly.....my 45 run out
groove info is machine stamped 'Z4KM-4435-1 C' then etched
'Q-S5-M5-S6-831M05'...yah shure, what does yours say?
Edited by edtop40 on 18 May 2013 at 5:55am
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Okay, after listening to the Hitsville box track, I see what you were referring to, Ed (the "whopp" description is what threw me off: I was expecting to hear a percussive noise of some sort before what you termed the "whopp" sound, which is on my 45.) It could be just an untrimmed remnant from a count-off, but it does serve as a neat way to kick off the record.
I don't hear the vinyl 45's tape bleed-through at all on the track from the Hitsville box (which you really should have in your collection, Ed!)
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Was there ever a promo 45 of "What's Going On" with all or most of the talking at the beginning cut off, and starting with the music? Because that's the way I usually hear it played on the radio, starting when the music begins, with "Right on!" and the remaining talking overlapping it.
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Both the mono and stereo 45 versions start with the music.
The only place I hear the 'right on' is on the LP version.
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VWestlife wrote:
Was there ever a promo 45 of "What's
Going On" with all or most of the talking at the beginning
cut off, and starting with the music? Because that's the
way I usually hear it played on the radio, starting when
the music begins, with "Right on!" and the remaining
talking overlapping it.
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Sounds like an in-house edit of the stereo album mix. As
far as I know, all 45 versions were the mono mix (as found
on the Hitsville USA box set) without the "party" sound
effects heard throughout the song.
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Are there any real stereo 45 versions (or similar mixes)
out there?
I have one labeled 'very poor stereo separation' from
1995s 'Anthology' but it's slightly rechanneled instead.
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You can possibly create something resembling a stereo 45
version by editing the intro and outro from
the instrumental version found on Universal's "20th Century
Masters: Best of The Funk Brothers" CD onto the stereo
album cut. There still might be some lingering 'chatter'
track once the vocal kicks in. I'm also not sure if the
stereo separation of the two versions would make for a
smooth edit.
Edited by LunarLaugh on 29 January 2022 at 2:30pm
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I really can't believe I've missed this all my life. I just went over to youtube and looked for a 45 version. Sure enough, there's a false fade near the end.
This tells me that either all the stations I grew up with didn't play the final tag of this song, or didn't play the 45 version, EVER! I'm familiar with all
the other songs mentioned, but not this one. I guess I'm going to have to look around here and see if I can find one of those Tamala 45's. My local 45 store
is bound to have one for a couple dollars, so I can use it for reference. Also, kind of odd to hear it start without the intro of chatter.
Edited by AdvprosD on 30 January 2022 at 12:07am
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AdvprosD wrote:
This tells me that either all the
stations I grew up with didn't play the final tag of this
song, or didn't play the 45 version, EVER! |
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Possibly they DID play the 45 version, but the stations
used heavy volume compression/processing which kept the
volume level over-the-air consistent (or perhaps they
carted it up correcting the volume drop). Even
primitive/inexpensive units such as the Shure Level-Loc
were sometimes used to handle this issue.
I remember the same reaction when I first heard
"Suspicious Minds" on vinyl a couple years later and
never realized there was a volume drop/return on that
fade based on prior radio play.
Andy
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