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jimct
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My commercial 45, which is stereo, has a listed time of (2:28), but an actual time of (2:33).
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Fetta
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Just a general question to all as jimct is clocking several different songs. I see people giving 2, 3, 4 second discrepencies between what is listed on the record and what they are actually timing the record at. Is there a specific way to time a record and why are there so many discrepencies?
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hey fetta... you might want to check out todd ireland's post on the raiders "indian reservation" thread, as he offers a good explanation about the discrepancies between the label time and the actual time of 45's...
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jimct
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Fetta, just a little background as to why I'm taking all of the many hours of time and effort to do all this: There is a segment of folks on this Board that want to make sure they own the EXACTLY CORRECT 45 version of all "Top 40" songs. However, most of them do not own the original 45s. Being an extremely sick puppy, I do. Because of this, I feel it is my obligation to time my 45s, checking the "listed" times against the "actual" times. If I detect a difference of :03 seconds or more between the two, I post my findings. I also check my actual timings against Pat's current database CD timings. Often this will explain why CD versions all run, for instance, (3:20), when the 45 states a time of (2:59). The (2:59) time happens to be wrong. Info like this can help folks on the Board. Now they know they do, in fact, have the actual 45 version on CD, even though reference books may list the (2:59) time. Without owning/timing the 45, how else can you find out if the CD versions are :21 seconds longer than the 45 or not? And if my time findings raise other questions, Pat and others on the Board will almost always perform additional research, often comparing it with the original LP, or closely listen for possible differences between the 45 and its CD counterpart. I feel it is my responsibility to do this work, for the good of all involved here. I hope it saves those concerned, who don't own the original 45s, MUCH time and effort, in their never-ending quest for "authentic 45 versions." Many here on the Board have an amazing ear for detail. Once I bring up a song, I'll often get requests to shoot out an mp3 dub of my 45 to them, for them to "fine-tooth-comb" compare against their CD versions. At that point, I feel I've done my part, and I leave further analysis to the many other experts on this Board. We've been able to bring to Pat's attention a fair amount of database revisions. It certainly helps that Pat is also a TOTAL stickler for such details, and most times my findings have already been noted in his database. But no one can have, or know, everything. So, I try to: 1) Clarify actual 45 timing differences, and 2) Perhaps discover the "tip of an iceberg", if my timings don't match up with those currently in the database. There is a method to my madness, I hope!
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well put, Jim. You said it! I and the others on this board so appreciate your efforts as we try to seek the correct 45 versions of songs. Our Andy Williams discovery being a most recent example.
I remember when the Motown Hitsville box came out and how disappointed I was when I heard it was all mono. But then...when I finally caved in a bought it, I was amazed at how different so many of the songs sounded (and better in many or even most cases IMHO) than the stereo versions I had become familiar with. Not being an adult in the 60s (that's as much as I'll diverge on that side for now...), I don't have a memory of the mono singles mixes. Many are truly great, and I only hope I can continue to gather more.
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Thanks jimct for the explanation. All I can say is "WOW" for having all these 45's and for the time and patience in timing them.
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Jim,
You are not a sick puppy. You are my hero. Being "only" 42 years old, I would give anything to have grown up during the golden age of Top 40 radio and accumulate such a wealth of knowledge, as well as the records. I thought I knew a lot about the history of music during the rock era (even though I am too young to have experienced a lot of it), but since I have been a member here, I realize I don't know much at all. I am amazed at how much you and others know about songs, their different versions, etc. And I can only imagine how much fun it would have been to grow up then and re-live the memories.
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