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For such a simple song, it's amazing how many different ways it's been screwed up on CD. I'm not sure if all this has been documented in the database, so I'll list my findings here.
All 45 versions end with: "I've got to let you know", <pause> and a cappella: "You're one of my kind."
On the Kick album and CD, the first 8 beats of the next song, "Mediate", follow after "You're one of my kind". The two tracks are the same tempo and flow nicely together, but I never understood why the track indices fall where they do. This clearly warrants the "tracks into the next selection" notation in Pat's book.
One would think that if you were putting "Need You Tonight" on a compilation, you'd be able to edit the track properly to preserve the a cappella ending and nothing else. And yet...
These CDs have remnants of "Mediate":- Kick (Atlantic 7 81796-2, 1987; 3:05, first 8 beats present)
- Modern Rock 1988 Hang The DJ (Rhino R2, 72502, 1996; 3:09, gently fades intro of "Mediate" and actually contains more of the song than the Kick CD; also runs 0.7% too slow)
- Compilation (Atlantic PRCD 3416-2, 1990; 5:37, contains entire track "Mediate" and is listed as "Need You Tonight/Mediate", reflecting the fact that many radio stations played both tracks together on the air, like "We Will Rock You/We Are The Champions")
On the Greatest Hits CD, "Need You Tonight" is followed by "Devil Inside". I don't have the Greatest Hits CD, but I can guess that the two tracks don't have much space between them and I'd venture that "Need You Tonight" deserves a "tracks into the next selection" designation, because the opening beat of "Devil Inside" is clearly heard at the end of "Need You Tonight" on the following CDs (and shame on Time-Life for basing these on the Greatest Hits mastering!):- Sounds Of The Eighties - 1986-1989 (Time-Life R988-21, 1997; 3:01)
- Modern Rock - Late '80s (Time-Life R828-10, 2000; 3:01, digitally exactly 1 dB quieter than above 1986-1989 CD, and mastered by the great Dennis Drake, no less)
- Gold And Platinum Volume 5 1985-1988 (Time-Life R13610 RIAA-05, 1997; 3:01 slightly different EQ than above 2 T-L CDs, and also mastered by Dennis Drake)
The following CD omits the a cappella "You're one of my kind" entirely:- Now That's What I Call Music 14 (UK series, Virgin EMI Polygram CD NOW 14, 1989; 2:58)
The remaining CDs on my list all have the proper a cappella ending of the song. And yet...
The following CD is bone-crushingly compressed/maximized:- Now That's What I call Music 1988 The Millennium Series (UK series, Virgin EMI Universal 5 20277 2, 1999; 3:01; mastering too compressed and should be avoided; note that the UK Now single-year compilations that came out in 1993 don't have this problem, but also don't include "Need You Tonight")
The following CDs have just a bit less compression/maximization:- Pottpett Rokk (Skifan [Iceland] PCD 9706, 1997; 3:01)
- Sounds Of The Eighties - Everything '80s (Time-Life R988-24, 2002; 3:01)
These CDs sound quite nice:- Atlantic's Year In Review: 1987 (Atlantic PR 2187-2, 1987; 3:01)
- Hits On CD Vol. 9 (Mercury [W. Germany] 816 670-2, 1988; 3:01; mastered by Gert van Hoeyen)
And, finally, the finest-sounding version of them all:- Awesome '80s (Razor & Tie/Warner Special Products OPCD-4551, 1994; 3:01, mastered by Steve Hoffman - his masterings are the finest-sounding in existence and are worth seeking out)
Edited by crapfromthepast on 10 August 2020 at 1:14pm
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Is the version on Atlantic's Hit Singles 1980-88 OK?
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"The Best of INXS" and "Shine Like It Does - The Anthology" have the acapella ending with no drum beats afterwards.
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[QUOTE=sriv94] Is the version on Atlantic's Hit Singles 1980-88 OK?[/
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This is the version we use on the air, and it ends with the acapella ending.
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crapfromthepast wrote:
On the Greatest Hits CD, "Need You Tonight" is followed by "Devil Inside". I don't have the Greatest Hits CD, but I can guess that the two tracks don't have much space between them and I'd venture that "Need You Tonight" deserves a "tracks into the next selection" designation, because the opening beat of "Devil Inside" is clearly heard at the end of "Need You Tonight" on the following CDs (and shame on Time-Life for basing these on the Greatest Hits mastering!):
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Cool info and right you are! I just checked the US pressing and "Devil Inside" kicks right after.
I also have a 2 CD version of that same "Greatest Hits", I presume from the UK or Germany. On it, "Original Sin" comes after "Need You Tonight" and there is more space between tracks than on the US pressing.
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Crapfromthepast you should subscribe to the database as you will find additional information such as the fact that on the reissue of "Kick", Rhino 78204, the indexing error has been corrected.
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just a note, my original 1987 Kick CD (pressed in Canada) with the same catalog number as the U.S. one does NOT contain the first beat of "Mediate" in "Need You Tonight". Just a simple indexing error on the U.S. CD!
Edited by davidclark on 10 July 2007 at 4:34pm
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I'm glad to see this issue brought to the forefront and clarified in the database because I'm amazed at how many CDs contain the opening drumbeats of "Mediate" at the end of "Need You Tonight" when it is such an obvious track indexing error!
Now, I have heard the entire "Need You Tonight/Mediate" medley played on the radio before and it leads me to wonder... Was there ever an official "Need You Tonight/Mediate" promo 45 release, or did DJs simply play the songs back-to-back directly off the Kick album? My guess is the latter, but I figure it can't hurt to ask.
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I'm not sure if there was a promo 45, however there was definatly a promo 12". I don't own it, but Atlantic 2131 has a jacket that reads "Need You Tonight/Mediate" and includes the "7 inch Version" with a listed time of 3:01 on one side while the other includes the "LP Version" (presumably Need You Tonight/Mediate) listed at 5:36.
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I have a copy of the commercial 12", but it's packed in storage at the moment. I can say for sure that the A-side has "Need You Tonight/Mediate" as one song, and it's labeled as "LP Version." Clear as mud.
Given that the promo 12" has the medley on one side (as 995wlol points out), I'd say it's not out of the question that a 45 exists with the same configuration.
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Todd Ireland wrote:
| Now, I have heard the entire "Need You Tonight/Mediate" medley played on the radio before and it leads me to wonder... Was there ever an official "Need You Tonight/Mediate" promo 45 release, or did DJs simply play the songs back-to-back directly off the Kick album? My guess is the latter, but I figure it can't hurt to ask. |
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Todd, my promo 45 has the listed and actual (3:01) version on both sides. I also have 2 different promo 12" singles for this. The first, PR 2116, states "7" Version" on both sides, and is exactly the same as my promo 45, on both sides. But my second promo 12", PR 2131, as earlier referred to in this thread, has the "7" Version" on only one side, stating "A Side" on the label. But the "B Side" of this 2nd promo 12" DOES state and include the "Need You Tonight/Mediate" version, has both a listed and actual time of (5:36), and states "LP Version". I remember that there was a bit of a "radio buzz" about playing this "full LP version" back in 1988, no doubt prompting Atlantic to issue a 2nd promo 12", which included this full version. So it DID appear in this configuration on a 1988 single, Todd, albeit only on a promo 12" single.
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Ah, so commercial 12" copies and some DJ 12" copies contained the "Need You Tonight/Mediate" medley. Thanks, Aaron, Jim, and 995wlol for helping clear this up.
Also, I've never been a big music video guy, but I remember seeing a version of the "Need You Tonight" video back in the '80s where "Mediate" immediately followed and featured, I believe, the band members rapidly tossing about hand-written signs containing words ending in "ate".
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Todd, you're correct. The video for "Need You Tonight" included the "Mediate" part. When the song was current, I only remember MTV playing the long version.
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The "Need You Tonight" situation is more complicated than the first drumbeat of "Mediate." If I'm correct, you cannot create the true 45 version from the album version, and here's why:
The REVERB from the final word "kind" tracks into the first drumbeat of "Mediate." If you just cut off the song before the first drumbeat of "Mediate," that reverb will be clipped.
The two-disc "Billboard #1 Hits of the '80s" contains what I presume is the true 45 version -- the reverb after the final word is allowed to fade out. The version on "Razor & Tie Presents Awesome '80s" clips the reverb at the end.
Somebody with the cassingle or the 45 should confirm this (and I'd like to hear it, if I could).
I've long suspected this, and the Billboard CD indicates I'm probably correct. (I thought I'd brought this up in a thread before, but apparently not, as I can't find it.)
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It states "Edited from Atlantic LP 81796 "Kick"" on the U.S. commercial 45 of "Need You Tonight" record label. I can't clearly decide because my LP "Kick" is a Japanese pressing.
The time length of from the first on the lyric "You're one of my kind" till the end on the U.S. 45 is :02.008.
But the time length of from the first on the lyric "You're one of my kind" until just before the start of "Mediate" on the LP is :01.886.
If the U.S. LP is identical to the Japan LP. The 45 is surely edited from the LP. As a result I think that it doesn't make much difference whether the 45 or the LP.
But it is possible to distinguish between the 45 source and the LP's.
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Brian W. wrote:
| The REVERB from the final word "kind" tracks into the first drumbeat of "Mediate." If you just cut off the song before the first drumbeat of "Mediate," that reverb will be clipped. |
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Brian, I'm noticing what you mean here. I listened to my copy on Awesome '80s, and the word "kind" is sort of cut off at the end. It's sounds like, "you're one of my kine."
On the promo CD "Atlantic's Year In Review 1987," the full word "kind" can be heard, and you can clearly hear the "d" (almost sounds like a "t") and the trailing reverb.
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Very good ears, Brian, abagon and Aaron! Re-listened to all the different versions I have, and will summarize...
Versions that are edited from the Kick version (tracking into "Mediate"):- Kick (obviously)
- Awesome '80s (cut -not a fade- right before opening downbeat of "Mediate")
- Hits On CD Vol. 9 (cut -not a fade- right before opening downbeat of "Mediate")
- Hit Singles 1980-1988 (faded to silence so that it sounds like "kine")
- Hang The DJ 1988 (fade-out over first 6-7 seconds of "Mediate")
Versions that have the complete "d" or "t" sound at the very end:- Atlantic's Year In Review 1987
- The A List Disc 42
- Now The Millennium Series 1988
The other CDs listed in my post above have remnants of "Devil Inside" from the Greatest Hits or are otherwise self-explanatory.
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the cd below
(S)(3:01) Rhino 78084 Billboard #1s: The ‘80s
contains the true 45 version, with the last word as "kind" and not as "kine".....i checked the vinyl 45 and it also has the full "kind" and NOT "kine"......this should be noted in the db....
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Edited by The Hits Man on 08 August 2010 at 9:06pm
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I just pulled my copy of Best Of, where "Need You Tonight" is the first track, and the full "kind" is on that disc. It doesn't abruptly cut off at the end like on my copy of Awesome '80s.
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