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I have two different U.S. commercial 45s of Terri Gibbs' "Somebody's Knockin'." The first has matrix "MC 10553 W1" and runs 2:56. The other has matrix "MC 10553 WS-4" and runs 2:58. The difference is that the 2:56 version has a two second shorter instrumental intro. Both labels incorrectly state the running time as 2:52.
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There are apparently two mixes of the same performance, one basically adding overdubs.
The first is from a CD-R, making it nearly impossible to determine the actual source, but it claims to be from "The Best Country Hits Of The 70'S & 80's [Disc 2]." (I don't see it in the database; may be an import.)
This has the clipped into.
The other, with the full intro, is from the Hip-O compilation album called "The '80s Hit(s)... Back Again!" This once IS listed in the database.
The Hip-O version takes the 1st version & adds or amplifies sounds at 5 points:
1) :06 - :10 There's an extra harmonica wail.
2) :35 The "Oooh"s are louder.
3) 1:33 Again, the 1st "Oooh"s are boosted.
4) 2:24 A tambourine is shaken.
5) 2:42 The chorus echos Terri's "Somebody's knockin'".
Additionally the mixes may be slightly different; the mix without the overdubs feels slightly "drier," possibly a different mix of the guitar, etc., but that could also be eq differences in my sources.
Now the question becomes: were the overdubs on the album version, the single version, both or neither?
Was one perhaps the mix shipped to country radio stations, the other shipped to pop stations?
Maybe more importantly to this discussion: which CDs have which mixes?
Terri's website has a contact form which won't likely get to her... but it might. I'll try contacting her and if I get any useful info, post back here.
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Full intro with the punched up harmonica solo got country
air play on our area stations. This version was released
when this song began getting airplay. Version 1 was the
original single but pulled in favor of Version 2. Don't
know about CD availability.
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Well, this is mildly interesting, if not very helpful:
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Hi Gene,
I asked Miss Gibbs about the cut, "Somebody's Knockin'". She said she does not remember there being more than one version. She only has the version that's on her "Best Of" CD . . . She wishes she could be more help to you. Take care . . .
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At least I got a reply, I guess!
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Of course, she may not have been involved in any remixing of the song. While it wasn't as common in the early 80s as it is today labels did issue different mixes for different formats.
This happened even with well-established artists, never mind an unknown one.
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Does anyone know which version is on "Radio Daze vol. 5" - and also which version is the single version and album version?
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After reading Gene's post, I dug out my two different U.S. 45s that I mentioned in my first post to see if either contained any of the overdubs he noticed on the Hip-O CD, since I had previously only noticed a difference in the intros. I don't hear any of these overdubs on either 45 version: No harmonica at :06 on either (no harmonica is heard at all until about :31, which is :29 on the version with the shorter intro), no tambourine at 2:24 on either, and I don't detect any difference in the background vocals during the final stages of the song.
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The Radio Daze Vol. 5 CD is the only one I have on which this song appears. This version sounds the same to me as my 45 with the longer intro, except that the right and left channels are reversed!! I don't detect any of the overdubs Gene noticed on the Hip-O CD.
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I compared the U.S. vinyl LP "Somebody's Knockin'" (MCA-5173/actual 2:59, listed 2:52) with the commercial 45 of the long intro (MCA-41309 matrix# MC-10553 ws-3/actual 2:58, listed 2:52 & "listed intro time :10".)
As a result, the LP is the same take as the commercial long intro version. However, a tone quality is difference each. A high note in the 45 is quite stronger than the LP's one. So, her voice in the 45 is more brilliant. The LP has an emphasized bass line.
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Interesting - so the album version is the same as one of the single versions. And the other single version is the alternate mix. Kind of similar to the situation of "Every Little Kiss" by Bruce Hornsby and "Stir It Up" by Johnny Nash - except we know for sure in those cases that the hit versions were NOT the versions on the album but the alternate mixes.
In Gibbs' case, we're still not sure what this 2nd/alternate mix is (i.e. the version with or without the overdubs), and as for the "alternate" version, was it the version that country radio stations played, was it never really played at all, etc.?
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Hi People,
Does anyone out there actually currently own a 45 with the overdubbed mix on it?
Is it commercial or promo?
Andy
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Pat, the database probably needs to be updated, as Gene reports "The 80s Hits...Back Again" CD has a different mix than the common 45/LP mix. Did anyone ever come across a 45 that matches it?
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Abagon sent me his copies of the US 45 and US LP. I agree that they are the same. As he points out, the 45 is EQ'd much brighter, but it's not a mix difference.
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Didn't learn as much as I'd hoped for this song, so I'll report what I do know.
LP version, also on first presings of 45, runs about 2:58
This has a 16-beat intro before the vocals start. The intro runs about 10 seconds.
This was also the version played on American Top 40 for its entire chart run and for the year-end show. (I confirmed this.)
I have this version on Time-Life's 2-CD Echoes Of Love (1991), where it runs about 2:58, and runs at 95.8 BPM throughout (live drummer playing to a click track). It sounds pretty good here. There's a digitally identical clone on Madacy's Rock On 1981 (1996).
It sounds like a new analog transfer of the same source tape was used for Rhino's Radio Daze Vol. 5 (1995), where it runs at 95.5 BPM throughout. The sound quality is quite close to Echoes Of Love, but it's a teensy bit slower here.
Shortened-intro 45, runs about 2:56
Before I found this post, I thought this version was just a mastering error. Turns out that this is a real, released version on some pressings of the 45. Not sure if it was an early pressing (and considered a mistake) or a later pressing.
Two differences, compared to the 2:58 versions. First, the first four beats of the intro are removed, so that the intro runs just 12 beats and is now 7 seconds long. Second, the left and right channels are swapped, compared to the 2:58 versions.
The mix is the same as on the 2:58 version, only with the left and right channels reversed.
This version turns up on CD on JCI's Only Country 1980-1984 (1995), and the same analog transfer is used on Time-Life's 2-CD Singers And Songwriters Vol. 7 1980-1982 (2000). The channels are reversed, compared to the 2:58 versions on CD, which is consistent with how the 2:56 version was released on 45. Both of these CDs sound fine.
Version(s?) with additional overdubs
I'm at a loss as to where this came from. As far as I can tell from this thread, we don't have any LPs or 45s from 1981 that actually have the overdubs.
I'll be happy to pick apart other masterings if you send them to me.
In my own library, I'm going to use the version from Echoes Of Love (1991). The short-intro version runs 12 beats, rather than 16, which sounds very unnatural to my ears.
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