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aaronk
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While the song comment says that DJ copies run (3:52), there are several database CDs that all run (3:57). Can anyone confirm that the actual run time of Abba's "The Name Of The Game" is 3:57?
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Aaron, my promo 45 has both a listed and actual time of (3:52).
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My copy from the Millennium Collection runs about 3:57.
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Is the difference the length of fadeout at the end, or is the edit improper?
Or both of the above?
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Or perhaps it's an issue with the pitch. I'll try to work with Jim to resolve this :05 difference.
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My guess is the 3:52 time that Jim supplied for his 45 is an earlier fade than the CD's in the database.
Jim, do you have a stock 45 you can time?
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According to Pat's database, all stock 45s were the long (4:50+) version.
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**Doug beat me by ONE minute!!** John, as Aaron mentioned in his initial post, the question here refers to the DJ, PROMO 45 short version's exact time. The stock 45 version runs almost (5:00), and is, quite frankly, completely irrelevant to Aaron's initial question. As you've no doubt observed by now, offering up gut feelings, speculation, flat-out guesses or thoeries about what MIGHT be causing these timings differences doesn't really help us answer the question at hand - anyone can have an opinion. What we're REALLY looking for here is solid, factual information, using the actual vinyl and CD sources in question. A great many of us here on the Board have LONG ago learned not to trust ANY timing details until we've confirmed them ourselves. And now that Aaron knows that the (3:52) listed DJ 45 time is accurate, the next step is for him to put it under his "audio comparison microscope". To compare/contrast the DJ 45 wave forms, vs. the CD's. But this is time consuming, and Aaron only wanted to spend the time on it if he was certain that there was an ACTUAL time difference, which he now knows there is. I'm amazed, every day, at the accuracy level of the many, many specific details offered up on the Board. There are hardly ANY typos among our posters; have you noticed this? We are fanatics for correct details. Not perfect, but VERY detail oriented.
Edited by jimct on 26 October 2007 at 5:12pm
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Not an issue, Jim. Thanks for the clarification. As usual, I didn't check the database first when asking about the stock version. DOH!
Being at my first commercial radio job in '77, I know we played the song off a stock 45 then, just sure didn't seem almost 5:00 then.
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my commercial 45, issued as atlantic 3449, states a run time of 4:53, but actually runs 4:51 like many of the entries in the db.....this should be noted....
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Thanks to assistance from my good friend Aaron, I've officially determined the 3:57 version of "The Name of the Game" appearing on ABBA's Best of: 20th Century Masters - The Millennium Collection CD is indeed the DJ 45 version but :05 longer. So at long last we can put this one to rest! Pat, since there've been a number of inquiries about this promo 45 version on CD, I'm thinking it might not be a bad idea to individually note which CDs in the database run :05 longer than the DJ 45.
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To provide further info, the promo 45 has one edit at the 2:03 mark and fades about :05 earlier than the longer version's fade. I'd be very curious to know how some of these slightly longer versions surface on CD. Is it possible that the engineer was instructed to fade it a little early as it was being recorded to the master stamper, hence a master tape with the correct length never really exists?
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I've wondered these very same questions myself, Aaron, because so often the fades at the end of 45 versions appearing on CD do not exactly match the fades on their respective vinyl 45 counterparts. Do the single masters usually contain the exact fade heard on their commercial single releases? Or do many single version masters come with fading instructions for engineers to manually perform when mastering for CD? Perhaps one of our resident audio engineer experts can help us answer this.
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Is the edit you mentioned, Aaron, what brings the LP version down to it's 3:57 CD length, albeit that the 3:57 versions fade later than the promo 45?
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Yes, if you make the one edit to the LP version but don't perform an early fade, you get very close to 3:57.
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Does anybody know where the fade starts on the true 3:52 promo
version? Does it start earlier than it does on the 3:57 cd versions or is
the fadeout just elongated on those cd versions? Thanks.
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JL, the fade starts at 3:39.264 and runs until 3:53.374, a total of 14.11 seconds. The final 2.4 seconds is barely audible.
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