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According to Jeff H. over on the Steve Hoffman site, the label on the 12" single of "Rapper's Delight" says the B-side version runs 6:30, but it actually runs 7:10.
If that's true, then the 7:10 version, which Pat has pegged as "neither the 45, LP, or 12" single version," is actually the 12-inch "short" version.
Anyone own the 12" single who can check? I know Pat says there was more than one pressing, so it's possible there were different edits on the B-side.
Also, Pat, you might want to add the word "promo" or "DJ" to the short and long "45 versions" on that song, since there was no commercial 7-inch single.
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Here is the information I have on Rapper's Delight. There are indeed two 12" commercial singles. One has a "long version" with a stated time of 15:00 that actually runs 14:16 and one with a stated time of 15:00 that actually runs 14:52. On the other side is the "short version" which has a stated running time of 6:30 and on both copies the actual running time is 6:54. Now perhaps there are more than two commercial 12" singles but there is no doubt that the "short version" on both of my 12" singles is not the version that appears on "The Hip Hop Box" or "Kurtis Blow Presents The History Of Rap". On the vinyl 12" that I have the instrumental introduction runs :17 and on the cd's mentioned above the instrumental introduction runs around :34. Both of the above mentioned cd's state on the packaging that this is the "short version" of the 12" single but again, this 7:09 version is not what I have on either of my two commercial 12" singles.
Yes my vinyl 45 is a dj copy but Whitburn states that there is a commercial vinyl 45 available.
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Thanks, Pat. But...
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I think you're misreading that, as in my copy of the '97 edition of Top Pop Singles, Whitburn states just the oppposite.
Both Rapper's Delight and 8th Wonder have a (T) next to the catalog number, which indicates it was only commercially issued as a 12", and a note below 8th Wonder says, "above 2 issued on 7" vinyl for promotional use on Sugar Hill 752 & 753, respectively." (752 being Rapper's Delight.)
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The 1955-2002 edition of Top Pop Singles lists a T and a v with no comment at all regarding "above 2 issued on 7" vinyl for promotional use..."
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Hmm... interesting...
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Brian W.:
No disrespect to Pat, but for the record, the note about
the promotional 45s below the listing for "8th Wonder"
that you quoted is indeed still in the current 1955-2002
edition of Whitburn's book, as it was in the 1955-1996
edition (I have both), so I'm not sure where the
confusion lies there...
Pat is right, though, in saying that Whitburn has now
added a "v" next to the "T" symbol, but he seems to be
misinterpreting that. As Whitburn explains in his book
under "Configuration Symbols" in the "User's Guide" (page
xix), the "v" is used to mean that a commercial 45 exists
only for those hits released from 1990 onward. And since
"Rapper's Delight" precedes that date, the "v" is
therefore used to indicate the existence of the promo 45s
(as it appears next to the "T" for "8th Wonder" as well).
Admittedly, the continued proliferation of symbols in
Whitburn's books is beginning to make things a bit
confusing...
And just to throw in my own expertise, I can tell you
that the Sugar Hill label was one of the few that was
also releasing their singles commercially on cassette (in
addition to vinyl) in the early '80s. And indeed all of
the ones I've ever seen on tape from that era were
maxi-singles (i.e., equivalent to the 12" vinyl), as
opposed to regular singles (7" vinyl), so that would lend
credibility to Whitburn's claim about the vinyl 45s for
"Rapper's Delight" and "8th Wonder" being
promo-only..........................
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My error, it is indeed in my book under the song title of "8th wonder".
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Pat:
I was just browsing through Sugarhill Gang's "Rapper's Delight" in the database and the Rapmasters 10: Best Of Scratchin' CD listed as having the "short 45 version". Is this an indication that a commercial 45 release of this song does exist, or was this comment intended to read: (dj 45 "short" version)? If a commercial 45 does exist, I'm wondering if and how it differs from the promo 45.
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I think he just missed that one... it's supposed to say "dj short 45 version."
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did either of the full length 12"s end cold, while the other faded? The version I have on Rhino's "Street Jams: Hip Hop from the Top volume 1" ends cold, and the version on Rhino's "Best of Sugarhill Gang" fades.
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No neither of my 12" "long" versions end cold.
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Apparently there was no commercial vinyl 45 of Rapper's Delight as my copy says "radio station and jukebox use only" so I have gone back and clarified the comments in the database.
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I've found a couple other tracks on the Street Jams series that had strange edits or endings to songs. It wouldn't surprise me if the "Rapper's Delight" version on that disc was not correct. Even though it's not a top 40 hit, I'll mention the song "Rappin' Duke" by Shawn Brown which is on the series. Rhino unsuccessfully attempted to re-create the 45 version on that one. Also, the song "A Fly Girl" by the Boogie Boys is a different version than both my 12" and the version that appears on the Rapmasters & Rap's Greatest Hits series (the latter two both on Priority Records).
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Hi
I was always confused by the Whitburn entry of Rapper's Delight, since I purchased and owned a commercial 45 of the song in 1980.
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You have a commercial vinyl 45 copy of "Rapper's Delight"?
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Very interesting! What is the catalog number?
I was always under the impression that the first Sugarhill 7" single was "Apache" from 1982.
BTW, give me the long 12" version of "Rapper's Delight" anytime!
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What is B-side of your "Rapper's Delight" 7-inch, Mark, if you still have it? Can you give us catalog number, running time, etc.? Are you POSITIVE it's a commerial issue?
If you don't still have it, it's possible what you're remembering is an "Apache" single from early '82 or late '81, which had as the B-side "Rapper's Delight." It's also possible you had an import and didn't know it.
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Hi
Alas - 'owned' was in the past, got rid of with a ton of other singles and albums. Sorry, i didn't think it was anything remarkable.
I may know where that one went, I'll contact a friend and see if it's living there.
I do recall very well though, it was not "Apache", I bought that one later.
It was a commercial issue, regular light-blue Sugarhill label.
I can't remember what was on the b-side. All i remember about the time was in the 4:00-ish range, started cold with the words "Now what you hear..." and towards the end, cuts to the verse with the friend's house where the "food ain't no good" and then quickly faded after that verse.
I'm guessing one of the above-mentioned dj 45's would also have that edit....
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"Rapper's Delight" of the 12" single that I possess, it has the actual running time of (14:28) with the listed time "15:00" on the record label. (Sugarhill SH-542)
Therefore three different 12" pressings exist!
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I won't be able to play them for a few days, but I thought you might want to see label scans. These are permanently posted on my website at http://crapfromthepast.com/favorites/sights2/index.htm
You'll see that there are indeed different label/sleeve designs, along with different writer's credits (after Nile Rodgers & Bernard Edwards leaned on them). Whether or not there are different edits on the various incarnations will have to wait a few days...
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