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Jim:
Which of these mixes did your station play in 1987?
New Order-"True Faith" (PRO-CD-2899)
1-The Morning Sun Remix/Edit (4:04)
2-Album Edit (4:10)
3-The Morning Sun Extended Remix (8:59)
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I know John's post isn't specifically directed at me but I'd imagine the 8:59 remix would've been considered way too lengthy to add to a Top 40 station's regular rotation. I'd say it's a pretty safe bet Jim's station either played Track 1 or Track 2.
Edited by Todd Ireland on 29 April 2008 at 9:48pm
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John, although I loved both the song and the video for "True Faith", I was consistently outvoted in our 1987 music meetings, 2 to 1, by the two other "voting members of the braintrust" in those meetings, week after week, so we never did actually add the song at ALL, at our station. But John, for what it's worth, I remember that the mix we all preferred, and always popped into the CD player to preview in the PD's office during those meetings was Cut 1, "The Morning Sun Remix/Edit." And, since it only ended up peaking at #32 in BB, I guess my cronies turned out to be right about that one! :(
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I always liked this song and thought it should have been bigger than it was. The station I listened to played it, but added it very late. There were a couple of weeks where it was dropping and then reversed direction on the Hot 100. It was different than anything else on the radio at the time, and I always thought it was very melodic.
I have the 12-inch single with the "morning sun extended remix", which is the best version.
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torcan wrote:
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IIRC, it spent a couple of weeks at #32 (which ultimately turned out to be its peak), then dropped to #38, then bounced back up to #34. This sticks out in my mind because at the time, it was very unusual chart behavior. In the '80s it was extremely rare for a song in the Top 40 to reverse course like this. And on the few ocassions when it did happen, it usually involved a song in the Top 10, where the song may have dropped in the first place due to being passed by another fast-rising song, not because its week-over-week popularity actually declined.
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The database currently lists both Singles and Bright Lights Big City O.S.T. as having the LP version. Despite the similar run times though, these are definitely not the same version as each other (obvious from the first few seconds). I'm guessing Singles has the true LP version (I don't own Substance to compare). My iTunes tags the soundtrack version as "Shep Pettibone's Morning Sun Edit", so I'm wondering if this is another version of the mixes that appear on the promo and 12" singles?
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I've always been dissatisfied with both edits, as they cut part of the song's hook (cuting lyrics, and not for content). I'm going by memory, I'd have to pull out my copy of the aforementioned cd single to detail exactly what was cut.
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Yeah, I believe the four-minute edits cut the chorus from six lines to four. I don't recall if it was lines 3-4 or lines 4-5 that were excised, but it always bugged me to hear that as well.
(The "Morning Sun Edit" on Bright Lights, Big City has the full chorus. It has a long intro, with vocals starting at 1:17, and fades soon after the final chorus. The mix itself is also different than what's on Singles.)
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The 45 version does indeed edit some lines from the chorus. The full version of the chorus is as follows:
I used to think that the day would never come
I'd see delight in the shade of the morning sun
My morning sun is the drug that brings me near
To the childhood I lost, replaced by fear
I used to think that the day would never come
That my life would depend on the morning sun.
The 45 version cuts out the 2 lines beginning with "To the childhood I lost...". The edit actually causes the last part of the chorus not to make sense, so I'm not sure why they did it that way.
But the mix on the 45 version is much better than the LP version. I always wondered if there was a version that was the full LP version but utilizing the Shep Pettibone remix like the 45.
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If you own the promo CD it's very easy to create you own edit combining the edit and the full remix version to bring the full chorus back in tact. I actually had to do this for a home video I created back in 1994. Speaking of 1994, when New Order released their best of album a slight remix of this song entitled "True Faith 94" was added. I'm no musical expert but I think they just went back and mixed the song a little better. From memory, the track is edited the same as the original "Album Edit" from 1987 but fades out a little sooner so that may be the discrepancy in run times listed in various databases since there are 1987 versions as well as 1994 versions. My local radio station picked the song back up in 1994 and played it all the time. I thought it was a brand new song and was shocked to find out it was 7 years old at the time.
The bright lights big city soundtrack version is just the long remix version but faded out early.
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Does anybody have the edit points for the Shep Pettibone remix to make the single version (The Morning Sun Remix/Edit)?
Believe it or not, all I have access to right now is the extended version. :-\
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You can't edit the the full remix down into the single remix since the opening
is exclusive to the 45 (The Morning Sun Remix/Edit). The instrumental bridge
also has some exclusive parts (i.e. the drums cut out on the full remix). Also
after a closer listen (and I just made my own edit bringing back the missing
lines from the chorus) I believe the full remix and the single remix may be
slightly different. I may need an audio expert to take a closer listen. Aaron?
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I pulled my promo CD single, and I agree with John. The two mixes are different in at least some places. As he stated, the intro of the Remix/Edit is nowhere to be found on the full Extended Remix.
Also, the Extended Remix has a lot of bass and not as much high end as the Remix/Edit. If you were to edit the two versions together, you'd need to reduce the bass on the Extended Mix and boost the highs a little to make them match sonically.
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I feel like I may be getting better at this stuff since that is exactly what I did
when I made my own edit. Unfortunately the next day when I listened again
it still didn't sound right so I just did the edit straight with no modification to
the bass and treble. I guess I'll have to go back and revisit it. Thank you for
the clarification Aaron. Any suggestions on the best software to change the
highs and lows? I currently use a very old version of Cool Edit Pro. I actually
edited this song in an old version of Adobe Premiere.
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Cool Edit Pro is my favorite audio editor. I use 2.1, and there are some
nice EQ tools. It's one of the more difficult things to match between
different sources, though, and it takes a lot of practice, critical listening,
and tinkering to get it right.
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