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Todd Ireland
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The actual commercial 45 run time of Foreigner's "Waiting for a Girl Like You" is 4:33, not 4:35 as stated on the record label. (These timings are courtesy of Jim a.k.a. "jimct".) Database CD appearances of the song containing the "45 version" comment run from 4:28-4:34, so I post this information for the benefit of those seeking the correct length.
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Now is this the remix version, or the album version. The stock 45 we had in Canada was the album version, while a promo I know that CKOC used in Hamilton, Ontario was a remix.
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The U.S. 45 was a remixed/edited version with some different vocal work and a longer fade than the parent LP.
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Jody Thornton wrote:
Now is this the remix version, or the album version. The stock 45 we had in Canada was the album version, while a promo I know that CKOC used in Hamilton, Ontario was a remix.
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Actually, I have a Canadian 45 with the 4:35 remix. Maybe there were 2 Canadian pressings for this(?)
This wasn't uncommon. Other examples in the '80s: for Billy Joel's "Keeping the Faith", there were separate Canadian 45s for both the 4:35 album version, and the 4:44 "special mix". The album version came first, followed by the "special mix" a couple of weeks later. We also had two different Spandau Ballet "True" 45s as well. I'm sure there are others I haven't discovered yet!
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AndrewChouffi wrote:
The U.S. 45 was a remixed/edited version with some different vocal work and a longer fade than the parent LP.
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I don't have the album to reference it, but I thought the album version had a longer fade than the 45. I know there was an edit in the fade on the 45.
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Hi Hykker,
There WAS an edit in the fade; however the 45 still went on longer than than the album towards the very end.
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Yes - the edit was right on the beginning of the chorus in the background. Lou would sing "waiting for yoooooou-oo-oo-oo-oooouu" - <edit> "I've been waiting for....(sang by the chorus).
This remix also had different keyboard voices on the end of the second verse "Oh I know it's right (bling bling - those were different on the remix - repeated three times.)
It's worth noting that the remix appeared on the "Rocks" compilation LP.
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Good ears - I never noticed the different "bling" voices on the 45!
FYI - I posted this on the Steve Hoffman board. Nothing really new here, but it gives the edit points and my opinions of sound quality. Disclaimer - I posted this before I realized that the 45 was a remix. I thought it was just a straight edit. So disregard any "make your own edit" comments.
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Recently got some Foreigner collections, did some comparisons among them for "Waiting For A Girl Like You", and am posting my findings. A heavyweight analysis befitting for a song that spent 10 weeks at number 2.
First, if you simply must have the 45 edit, here are instructions on creating the 45 version from the LP version:- Keep 0:00-4:04 of the LP version.
- After the "waiting for you-ohh" line, 1.5 beats before the downbeat, remove the 32 beats from 4:04-4:23.
- Keep 4:23 to the end; the beginning of this segment has the background vocals singing "I've been waiting for a ..."
- If you use the Very Best And Beyond CD as your source, your mixdown will run 4:30, with an edit at 4:04.
Note that tail of the fade runs about 5 seconds longer for the 45 version on Records, compared to the comparable LP version on Beyond.
The 45 edit first appeared on CD in 1985 on Records (running 4:32, excluding outro silence). To my ears, it sounds like the source tapes are a higher-generation that what later used on Very Best And Beyond. I know Records was mastered by Barry and gets high praise around the Steve Hoffman forum, but I found it a little muffled, and not as open-sounding as some of the later Foreigner compilations.
I found 6 CDs that use the same analog transfer as Records. All sound pretty close, and all have slightly boosted high end compared to Records:- Sandstone's Cosmopolitan Vol. 1 (1992; mastered by Steve Hoffman)
- Time-Life's 2-CD Rock Dreams (1993)
- Razor & Tie's 2-CD Totally '80s (1993; mastered by Steve Hoffman)
- Swaitek's 50-CD-for-radio The A List (1994)
- Time-Life's 2-CD Body Talk (1994; digitally exactly 0.1 dB quieter than Cosmopolitan)
- Time-Life's Sounds Of The Eighties - 1981 (1995; extra compression, diff EQ and about 4 dB louder than Cosmopolitan)
I found a different analog transfer of the 45 edit on Warner Special Products' 3-CD Secret Love (1987). It's got a little more high end, but appears to be from the same source tapes as Records. There are digital clones on:- Madacy's Rock On - 1981 (1996; 1 dB louder)
- EMI's Rock 'N Roll Relix 1980-1981 (1998; 0.9 dB louder)
The LP version first appeared on CD on Foreigner 4 in 1986 (running 4:48, excluding outro silence, according to Pat Powney's book). I don't have this CD, and can't comment on the sound.
It later appeared on Atlantic's Hit Singles 1980-1988 (1988; mastered by Sam Feldman), where it sounds superb, although the levels are a little low.
I think the best-sounding version, overall, is on Atlantic's The Very Best And Beyond (1992; mastered by Ted Jensen). This is a great-sounding disc overall, taken from very low-generation source tapes. I could do without the three new songs that start the disc (I prefer Very Best over Beyond), but the other 14 tracks are great, including the non-hit "Rev On The Red Line" from Head Games. One can quibble with the track line-up (no "Long Long Way From Home", "Blue Morning Blue Day" or "Break It Up"), but overall, I highly recommend this collection for the sound alone.
There are digital clones of Very Best And Beyond on:- Time-Life's Body Talk - Moonlit Nights (1996; differently EQ'd digital clone)
- Time-Life's Guitar Rock - Power Ballads (1999; 1.5 dB quieter; mastered by Dennis Drake)
- Time-Life's Singers And Songwriters - 1980-1982 (2000; differently EQ'd digital clone; mastered by Dennis Drake)
Finally, there's Atlantic/Rhino's Complete Greatest Hits (2002; mastered by Dan Hersch and Bill Inglot). Overall, a VERY loud collection, as you might expect from 2002. Glaring EQ on many songs. I'm not a fan of this CD. (And again, no "Break It Up"?)
Final recommendation: for the best sound for "Waiting For A Girl Like You", pick up Very Best And Beyond. (Do the edit yourself if you must have the 45 edit.) |
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