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timings in the database range from 2:39 (the mono mix, which I assume to be the 45 mix) to 2:46 for some stereo versions. How long was the 45 and was the stereo LP longer, or are the longer versions on CD more recent?
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I believe the song was first released in stereo in the 1970's on a Warner Brothers 45 and that if there was actually a stereo LP, it was rechanneled. I don't see it listed on a stereo LP in the BSN discography for Laurie records....
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This 1976 Laurie set (listed at BSN) was probably the first stereo appearance of The Wanderer:
LES-4002 - Everything You Always Wanted to Hear by Dion and the Belmonts But Couldn't Get - Dion And The Belmonts [1976] Runaround Sue - Dion (E)/The Wanderer - Dion (S)/The Majestic - Dion (S)/Love Came To Me - Dion (E)/Little Diane - Dion (E)/Lonely World - Dion (E)/Lovers Who Wander - Dion (E)/(I Was) Born To Cry - Dion (E)/I Got The Blues - Dion (E)/I Wonder Why - Dion & Belmonts (E)//A Teenager In Love - Dion & Belmonts (S)/Where Or When - Dion & Belmonts (E)/Runaway Girl - Dion (E)/Lonely Teenager - Dion (E)/When You Wish Upon A Star - Dion & Belmonts (S)/Teen Angel - Dion & Belmonts (E)/A Lover's Prayer - Dion & Belmonts (E)/That's My Desire - Dion & Belmonts (E)/Sandy - Dion (E)/No One Knows - Dion & Belmonts (E).
The Warner Brothers 45 came out in 1979 in conjunction with the movie The Wanderers. That stereo mix was different, very dry, and literally had the life sucked out of it.
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Edit note: I've corrected the movie title.
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thanks Gary!
You know, I've often thought of being able to note when stereo mixes were done and/or first released of original 1960s mono singles. Many appeared simultaneously (either in the same year or close to when the 45 was out), or on a "greatest hits" LP soon after, but there are many that appeared years later. Would be quite the project to gather this info, although with the database and the knowledge of what appeared on LPs of the time, it could be done!
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Is there a difference between the mono and stereo version?
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the mix is quite different (at least, the mono one I have from "The Essential Dion"), and of course as I stated, the length.
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Gary Mack wrote:
| LES-4002 - Everything You Always Wanted to Hear by Dion and the Belmonts But Couldn't Get - Dion And The Belmonts [1976]... That stereo mix was different, very dry, and literally had the life sucked out of it. |
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I couldn't agree more. When I got the Laurie Limited Edition Series LP in 1976, I almost thought I was listening to a different recording. It just sat there. The album itself was a disappointment, what with all of the fake stereo, and the ten-songs-to-a-side format landed it at the K-Tel notch on the loudness scale.
"The Wanderer" clocked in at (2:40) in its stereo premiere, with a very abruptly truncated fade. There is no stated time on either the label or the bare-bones jacket.
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davidclark wrote:
You know, I've often thought of being able to note when stereo mixes were done and/or first released of original 1960s mono singles. Many appeared simultaneously (either in the same year or close to when the 45 was out), or on a "greatest hits" LP soon after, but there are many that appeared years later. Would be quite the project to gather this info, although with the database and the knowledge of what appeared on LPs of the time, it could be done! |
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Any more thought about doing this. Granted I would be lost from the get go, but would find such a source invaluable (behind Pat's of course).
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What would be even cooler would be to make the list the "Lost Stereo Mixes" (meaning the first stereo appearance would have to be at least a decade after the song's initial release - just a definition I'm throwing out there for the heck of it.)
And,of course, no reprocessed "fake" stereo stuff.
Sorry. I guess I got away from the original topic . . .
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The Mono 45 version of this track still has the mojo. 2:39
playing time on my Laurie Double Gold 45 single. My wife's
UK London original is also 2:39. Fade on the Stereo is
different.
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I bought the Essential hoping for a nice sounding mono copy of "The Wanderer" and some of his other hits. Sounds to me like it might be a vinyl dub. It's very harsh sounding. Anyone else notice that?
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The stereo Warners 45 mentioned upthread wasn't the only "The Wanderer" single to tie into The Wanderers back in 1979. That July, Laurie Records issued a DJ 45 of the mono mix of "The Wanderer," utilizing the single's original catalog number (Laurie 3115.)
Under the title and artist was a mention of the song having been "From the Orion Motion Picture 'The Wanderers'". This single ran (2:42) with a little tape noise at the end of the fade, but in terms of sound quality, it was far better than the mono track on the old Columbia Dion's Greatest Hits CD.
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satchdr wrote:
What would be even cooler would be to make the list the "Lost Stereo Mixes" (meaning the first stereo appearance would have to be at least a decade after the song's initial release - just a definition I'm throwing out there for the heck of it.)
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The problem with this is that in the 60s, even into the early 70s the single/mono mix often had overdubs that were done "live" during the mastering and aren't on the multis (assuming they exist). Any stereo version (or later remix) would be lacking these parts, or would have to be re-created which would be pretty difficult to get right. I'd rather have the correct mix of a song in mono than a stereo mix that doesn't sound right. Don't even get me going on 2-track "stereo".
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aaronk wrote:
| I bought the Essential hoping for a nice sounding mono copy of "The Wanderer" and some of his other hits. Sounds to me like it might be a vinyl dub. It's very harsh sounding. Anyone else notice that? |
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I thought that too, also about "Runaround Sue" on that same disc. On the album "Runaround Sue," the single's flipside, "Runaway Girl," is mono on the album, but it doesn't have that same harshness you hear on the mono "Runaround Sue" and "The Wanderer." It sounds nice. (The song "Runaround Sue" is stereo on the album, at least on the CD version.)
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Although there's no notation in the database, I am of the opinion that "LP and 45 version" should probably be noted for the mono mix. Both the lead vocal and the percussion have a slap back (tape) echo on the mono version. The stereo mix does not have this echo, but instead it adds some reverb on the percussion. The vocal on the stereo mix is dry, for the most part, except for one line in the middle that he sings acapella.
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I haven't checked the other Dion singles from this time period (aside
from Runaround Sue), but my suspicion is that they also are mixed with
slapback echo. If anyone has time to check, please let us know your
findings.
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Am I correct that Dion's Runaround Sue 1961 vinyl LP was only issued in mono? If so, the database should probably have the following general comment added underneath the song title for "The Wanderer" (just like it appears in the database for "Runaround Sue"):
(there was no vinyl stereo release of this song in 1962 so all subsequent stereo appearances are technically stereo remixes)
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Yes they are remixes, there are two remixes, the second stereo remix commissioned by Ace Records in England has the correct reverb. The mono single on Laurie still has that something special. It has punch and bass impact like no other version.
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