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The actual commercial 45 run time of Duran Duran's "The Reflex" is 4:26. (Timing info courtesy of abagon. The stated time on the record label is 4:25.) The only reason I post this is because nearly all "45 version" appearances of this song in the database run 4:21-4:23.
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Do all the 45 versions in the database run faster than the 45, or fade earlier?
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I posted in another thread a long, long time ago that the 45 version on CD sounds like it speeds up in places. I wonder if this speed issue is not present on the vinyl 45.
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I just slowed my copy from Greatest down to match the 4:26 run time. Parts of the track sound too slow now, while other parts sound more normal.
So, that doesn't work... lol.
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Since the 45 is an edit of the dance mix, has anyone tried editing the dance mix to match the 45?
Not that I wanna try, lol, but wondering if the dance mix has sped up portions.
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The original LP version runs at 126.2 BPM throughout. I have my copy on Time-Life's Modern Rock - Mid-'80s, and it's also on a Canadian collection from PolyTel called Rock Of The '80s.
The LP version was not the hit, not by a longshot. The EMI folks enlisted Nile Rodgers to completely overhaul the song for the 45, and he's the one responsible for pretty much all the hooks in the song. He's also the one responsible for speeding up the tape toward the end of the song.
The 45 starts off around the same tempo as the LP version (125.4 BPM), and runs at that tempo until the 1:13 mark. Then, it speeds up gradually and consistently right through to the end of the song, when it's all the way up at 129.5 BPM. It's a deliberate effect, not an anomaly, and it's right there on the 45 and every version of the 45 remix that's ever come out on CD.
Offhand, I can't think of any other hit song that does this. It's not just a tempo change, but the pitch changes as well, making this version kinda impossible to actually play live.
Don't know if the 12" is sped up like this, though.
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crapfromthepast wrote:
The LP version was not the hit, not by a longshot. The EMI folks enlisted Nile Rodgers to completely overhaul the song for the 45, and he's the one responsible for pretty much all the hooks in the song. |
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Depends on your market. Both CHRs in Boston played the album version. I don't recall hearing the 45 version very much if at all when the song was current.
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crapfromthepast wrote:
| The 45 starts off around the same tempo as the LP version (125.4 BPM), and runs at that tempo until the 1:13 mark. Then, it speeds up gradually and consistently right through to the end of the song, when it's all the way up at 129.5 BPM. It's a deliberate effect, not an anomaly, and it's right there on the 45 and every version of the 45 remix that's ever come out on CD. |
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That answers my question. Thanks! I guess there must be another reason that the vinyl 45 times out differently than the CD. I wonder why they would deliberately speed the song up gradually?
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After getting in a commercial 45, it runs 4:26 as well. In my opinion, I think all versions running 4:23 fade out 3 seconds earlier than the 45.
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great info, crap.....i didn't realize that was the case regarding the speed....and john, you are right....the 45 does run longer than all the db entries....
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Database subscribers will also see some entries running 4:21 etc.
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my commercial 45 issued as capitol 5345 states on the label "the dance mix-edited" version with a listed run time of 4:25 but actually runs 4:28......i listened to the 45 next to the "decade" cd version and i don't hear any pitch difference at all.....the differences are that the cd version starts the fade in later and fades out earlier than the 45 version......this accounts for the time differential...i've sent an mp3 of the actual vinyl 45 to some editing experents on the board to see if the missing intro and outro can be pasted on to the 45 version from the full length remix version......also, it should be noted that the 45 came, not with a standard picture sleeve, but a 6 way folded poster!!!
Edited by edtop40 on 20 November 2008 at 10:29am
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aaron was kind enough to lengthen the 4:23 version by adding on the last 0:04 or so from the extended dance mix version and effectively re-created the true 45....thanks aaron....
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I ran across a compilation on which the single version has what is apparently a reconstructed intro in which they got an edit point slightly wrong. During the fade-in, after the first vocal "ta na na na", there is an extra 25 milliseconds of sound between the cowbell triplets. That is, you hear 3 high cowbells in quick succession, then 3 low cowbells, and the distance between the 3rd high and 1st low is about 265ms on this comp, whereas everywhere else it's about 240ms. It's nothing you'd ever hear, but the visual shift is obvious when zoomed in with an audio editor.
All other copies I have of this version, and the 12" Dance Mix it's edited from, have the correct 240ms timing.
The compilation is Casey Kasem Presents America's Top Ten Hits - 1980s: New Wave's Greatest Hits.
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