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abagon
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Posted: 03 November 2008 at 7:19am \| IP Logged

ROMANTICS - "What I Like About You"

The actual 45 running time is (2:38), the listed time is "2:56" on the record label. (Nemperor ZS9 7527)

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Posted: 03 November 2008 at 7:26am \| IP Logged

What's edited out of the 45? (album version is 2:56)

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Posted: 03 November 2008 at 8:25am \| IP Logged

Hi, AndrewChouffi. I don't have the vinyl LP "Romantics", however I have the CD "More Of The Big 80's (Rhino)". I have compared the 45 with the Rhino CD. The commercial 45 speed is unbelievably VERY VERY faster than the CD track. The 45 is never edited down, and doesn't have an overdub. There is the final voice "Hi" at 2:37.541 on the 45.

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Posted: 03 November 2008 at 10:16am \| IP Logged

Just for giggles, I sped up my digital copy of the song. Raising the pitch to 110% to get it to end at 2:39, it almost makes the song sound unlistenable, lol.

I've got to believe there has to be some sort of edit. Either that, or the 45 in question may be a faulty pressing, possibly.

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Posted: 18 June 2013 at 11:43am \| IP Logged

I finally acquired a stock 45 for this. Abagon's crazy timing is exactly what I
got, too. It is *not* an edit. It is in *full* chipmunk mode, from start to finish.
Totally unlistenable. My deadwax is a handwritten "AF-ZS9-7527-3."

Does anyone happen to own a promo 45 for this? Unfortunately, it is one of
the very few db promo 45s from 1980 that I am missing. They just couldn't
have serviced radio with the crazy stock 45 version all of us seem to own!

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Posted: 18 June 2013 at 11:55am \| IP Logged

That's insane! Why would anyone want to pitch up a song
that already blasts along at 160 BPM?

Although, if radio really was serviced a ridiculously
pitched-up version of the song, it would explain why this
wasn't a hit in 1980.

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Posted: 18 June 2013 at 3:48pm \| IP Logged

I do have this one on a promo 45 but it is in storage. It even comes with a promo-only picture sleeve. I've never seen another... unfortunately when i bought mine on ebay the seller shipped the 45 inside the sleeve and it split the bottom side.

I don't remember offhand what it times out to, however, I decided to check out the "chipmunked" track speed off of an mp3 of the 2:56 version sped up to 2:38.... I know with absolute certainty that the promo 45 does NOT sound this fast..... but now I am curious about it and will go to my storage locker tomorrow if I can, to go dig it out.

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Posted: 18 June 2013 at 4:07pm \| IP Logged

Wow, i too just sped it up to match that time .. and holy
crow!
I never heard it that way, ever, thankfully. It was huge
hit on rock radio so i assume they played it off the
album, and the album is what i bought in 1981. (was
already a party staple by then.)

I have to conclude for myself that this 45 pressing is a
critical mastering error.
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Posted: 18 June 2013 at 5:51pm \| IP Logged

I just timed out my promo, and it times out to 2:54
(listed time 2:56).

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Posted: 18 June 2013 at 6:19pm \| IP Logged

Thanks, Steve. Could you please provide deadwax info for your promo 45?
That way, those of us hoping to locate a stock 45 at the correct, promo 45
speed can use your 45's deadwax as a possible tipoff, before buying another
bogus (2:38) stock copy.

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Posted: 18 June 2013 at 8:04pm \| IP Logged

MMathews wrote:

I have to conclude for myself that this
45 pressing is a critical mastering error.

This may be the most comical understatement I've seen all
day. :)

If someone would send me an mp3, I'll gladly run a
quickie test to find out exactly how fast it is.

If it's seriously pitched up by 10%, that's an
inconceivable amount, and is WAY too large to be an
error. To give you a sense of scale, some of the radio
stations (like WPLJ in New York) used to pitch up their
music by 2%. At 2%, something sounds a little off to the
untrained ear. Some of the '50s and '60s-era pressings
of 45 can be off in pitch by 1% or 2%. A semi-tone (like
from a C to a C sharp) is about 6%. A Technics 1200
turntable has pitch control of +/- 8%. In practical use
during beat-matching, I've never pitched up or down the
full 8%. The old Otari reel-to-reel decks that all my
old radio stations used had a pitch control of +/-7% or
+/-8% (I forget which).

So to pitch up by 10%, you really have to work at it!

(Seriously - please, somebody send me an mp3 of a 45
dub...)

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Posted: 18 June 2013 at 8:09pm \| IP Logged

Is it possible that the cutting head was running too slow when the tape was being played back at the normal speed? Still, you think they would have caught this after playing a test pressing.

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Posted: 18 June 2013 at 8:17pm \| IP Logged

Perhaps someone saw the time of the song on the flip side of the stock 45 and sped the A side up to match it? Makes me wonder, then, was the B side of the stock 45 slowed down to match the label time of the A side?

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Posted: 18 June 2013 at 8:37pm \| IP Logged

Ron, within a week, I promise you that you will have your (2:38) 45 dub.
Please then provide us with your frightening speed numbers/other data
breakdowns!

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Posted: 19 June 2013 at 5:39am \| IP Logged

jimct wrote:

Thanks, Steve. Could you please provide
deadwax info for your promo 45?
That way, those of us hoping to locate a stock 45 at the
correct, promo 45
speed can use your 45's deadwax as a possible tipoff,
before buying another
bogus (2:38) stock copy.

Sure thing. Hand etched T1 (or I) AC-ZS9-7527-3 (the
final dash almost looks like =).
About 180° away is machine stamped (in tiny type) what
looks like N17y315 preceded by an indecipherable
character.

Weird. Since promos are at more-or-less the correct
speed at least some stampers were OK.

Edited by Hykker on 19 June 2013 at 5:41am

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Posted: 19 June 2013 at 8:59am \| IP Logged

Thanks, Jim! I'm deeply grateful that you've acquired the crazy 45.
F.Y.I.
The LP actual running time is (2:55), the listed time is "2:56" on the LP record label. (title "Romantics" Nemperor PZ 36273)
The LP speed is not crazy.

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Posted: 19 June 2013 at 9:26am \| IP Logged

abagon wrote:

The LP actual running time is (2:55), the listed time is "2:56" on the LP record label. (title "Romantics" Nemperor PZ 36273)
The LP speed is not crazy.

--abagon

Maybe so, but it's worth noting that your LP is actually a re-issue, as indicated by the "PZ" prefix you give in the catalog no. As printed on the label of your 45 further up, original LP pressings carried a "JZ" prefix...

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Posted: 19 June 2013 at 9:46am \| IP Logged

Our commercial 45 copy states a time of (2:56) and actually runs (2:54). Deadwax: T1 AD-ZS9-7527-3.

Edited by Paul Haney on 19 June 2013 at 11:24am

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80smusicfreak wrote:

abagon wrote:

The LP actual running time is (2:55), the listed time is "2:56" on the LP record label. (title "Romantics" Nemperor PZ 36273)
The LP speed is not crazy.

--abagon

Thanks for the info, 80smusicfreak!

By the way.
Are all the "PZ" prefix re-issue items in the CBS releases?

--abagon

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abagon wrote:

Thanks for the info, 80smusicfreak!

By the way.
Are all the "PZ" prefix re-issue items in the CBS releases?

--abagon

This is kind of a tricky question, as first pressings of some CBS albums in the mid '70s did actually start w/ a "P" in the prefix. But if the LP was originally released in 1978 or later (and of course, in the case of the Romantics, it was), then yes, a prefix of "PC" (Columbia), "PE" (Epic), "PR" (Portrait), or "PZ" (CBS Associated) would indicate a re-issue in the CBS catalog. However, during this period, here in the U.S. CBS was also notorious for sticking leftover first pressings of albums (w/ the original prefix) inside re-issue covers, so it's always important to check both to see if the prefixes match up (if that kind of thing matters to you as a collector, that is)...

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