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satchdr
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Does anyone know where the "Sunrise" LP version of this song can be found on import CD? The sole domestic entry in the database, Ripete 5151 "Ocean Drive 4" has been impossible for me to find for sale.
I recently purchased the Slam Music (SLAM 0055) CD "Pure Groove 80's - 80's Hits Volume 1" and it has an interesting extended mix of the original song that logs in at 8:28 but there is no way I can recreate the "Sunrise" LP version from it as, among other things, the SLAM version does not contain the intro note.
I also found a Connoisser Collection (XRRTCD80) import, "25 Years Of Rock 'N' Roll 1980" that has it listed but it's a bit pricey.
Any thoughts would be appreciated, as always! Dan
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I have the "25 Years .... 1980" CD (UK) you mentioned. It's very very muffled sounding, but I brightened it to match the 45. I can send an mp3 if you'd like to hear it. It has the full length (single/album) version, which can also be found on another UK CD, also muffled - I forget the name but it might be some kind of "NOW" compilation of '80s stuff.
I also have the Ripete CD you mention, but I'd skip looking for that because it fades the song about 30 seconds early, matching the promo 45 fade.
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EdisonLite wrote:
| I also have the Ripete CD you mention, but I'd skip looking for that because it fades the song about 30 seconds early, matching the promo 45 fade. |
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Actually, that CD doesn't even match the promo 45 fade. It's too early.
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It's possible the 8:28 version might be the Disconet remix, as I've come across a version with that length and labeled as such.
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Thanks to all for the information! It's so good to have a place to go and folks who have the knowledge to answer these questions!
Dan
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About five years ago, I obtained a used copy of the lone U.S. CD in Pat's book/database that contains this song, the V/A compilation titled Ocean Drive 4 (Ripete 5151). But like most here, I was also disappointed that "Hold On to My Love" runs only (3:03) on that CD - cutting off the last 29 seconds or so, as abagon reported in 2008 that both the 45 & LP have an actual time of (3:32). Luckily, that CD cost me all of about five or six bucks...
Well, I recently obtained a lot of 60+ import CDs from the U.K. and Europe, almost all compilations of '70s & '80s music (most of them now out-of-print), and one of them does include this elusive hit by Jimmy Ruffin. As an alternative to the V/A CD that EdisonLite previously reported here, there's also an 18-track V/A compilation that was released in the U.K. in 1991 titled Soul Dreaming, on Stardust STACD 006. "Hold On to My Love" is the original hit recording, and has an actual time of (3:26) on this CD. The complete track list is as follows (bold = top 40 U.S. hits, by Pat's standards):
01) "Like Sister and Brother" - THE DRIFTERS (1973)
02) "Didn't I (Blow Your Mind This Time)" - DELFONICS (1970)
03) "Love Come Down" - EVELYN KING (1982)
04) "Native New Yorker" - ODYSSEY (1978)
05) "Woman in Love" - THREE DEGREES (1979)
06) "You Make Me Feel Brand New" - THE STYLISTICS (1974)
07) "Hold On to My Love" - JIMMY RUFFIN (1980)
08) "When She Was My Girl" - FOUR TOPS (1981)
09) "Living in America" - JAMES BROWN (1986)
10) "You're the First, the Last, My Everything" - BARRY WHITE (1975)
11) "Joanna" - KOOL & THE GANG (1984)
12) "Summer Breeze" - ISLEY BROS. (1974)
13) "I Really Didn't Mean It" - LUTHER VANDROSS (1987)
14) "Never Knew Love Like This" - ALEXANDER O'NEAL ftg. CHERRELLE (1988)
15) "Sexual Healing" - MARVIN GAYE (1983)
16) "Let's Hear it for the Boy" - DENIECE WILLIAMS (1984)
17) "Come Back and Finish What You Started" - GLADYS KNIGHT (1978)
18) "Kiss and Say Goodbye" - THE MANHATTANS (1976)
This particular CD is long out-of-print and admittedly somewhat tough to find today, although I did notice that a used copy recently appeared on eBay's U.K. site at a very reasonable price, and failed to sell: CD on eBay So if anyone here wants to acquire this CD, perhaps it would be best to contact the U.K. seller, and see if he could re-list it??? Fading the song 29 seconds early on the Ocean Drive 4 CD was definitely unacceptable, but I can live w/ just 6 seconds on this Soul Dreaming CD...
I've never understood why "Hold On to My Love" has been so elusive on CD here in the U.S. over the years, but it has appeared on about a half-dozen other V/A compilations in the U.K. to date, mostly on box sets of either disco or '80s hits. (I don't have any of those other collections, or else I'd report the details here on them as well.) I do remember hearing the song on top 40 radio in SoCal somewhat regularly when it was a hit back in 1980, but since then, until I'd acquired the Ocean Drive 4 CD, the only time I'd ever heard it was whenever I played my old K-tel cassettes titled Hitline (Vol. 1) or Power Play, lol. IMO, it's been so forgotten that it's now hard to believe it was actually a top 10 pop hit - even more surprising when you consider it hit only #29 R&B in Billboard! An eBay seller in Estonia has recently been selling new/sealed copies of a "remastered" CD version of the song's original 1980 parent album, Sunrise, on the American eBay site. He's actually sold quite a few of them at a fairly decent price, but I haven't sprung for one myself, so I can't vouch for the quality or authenticity of that seller's CDs...
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| I have the "25 Years .... 1980" CD (UK)...It's very very muffled sounding, but I brightened it to match the 45...It has the full length (single/album) version... |
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So what's the actual time for "Hold On to My Love" on that CD - are you saying it runs the full (3:32)???
(Also posted in abagon's original thread for this song started on 29 April 2008...)
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I just checked and it runs the full 3:32.
As far as the parent album "Sunrise" on import CD on ebay, if that's the seller I think it is, he's told me he just mastered it from vinyl! He also sells on ebay about 100 other albums he just mastered from vinyl.
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I should add that when I worked with Rhino on their "Radio Daze: Pop Hits of the '80s" series, we put in a request to license this song and got a rejection from the label. But if we were rejected, probably every other request from labels was rejected, and that's why it never showed up on any US CDs, not from a lack of wanting but because of this.
I don't know any more than that. I don't know if it would be owned by Universal or Robert Stigwood himself, but whoever Rhino thought owned it gave a refusal (perhaps because Universal and Stigwood don't know who really owns it).
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EdisonLite wrote:
I should add that when I worked with Rhino on their "Radio Daze: Pop Hits of the '80s" series, we put in a request to license this song and got a rejection from the label. But if we were rejected, probably every other request from labels was rejected, and that's why it never showed up on any US CDs, not from a lack of wanting but because of this.
I don't know any more than that. I don't know if it would be owned by Universal or Robert Stigwood himself, but whoever Rhino thought owned it gave a refusal (perhaps because Universal and Stigwood don't know who really owns it). |
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Hmmm... What's kind of interesting is that the licensing credit given on my recently-acquired U.K. CD titled Soul Dreaming actually goes into much more detail for "Hold On to My Love" than any of the other songs! The fine print just underneath the title/artist on the back insert reads as follows: "From RSO album 'Sunrise' 2394 258. (R Gibb/B Weaver) Produced by R Gibb & Blue Weaver by arrangement with Robert Stigwood Orgn. BMG Music Pub Ltd (P) 1980 RSO Records Inc Admin by Chappell." Perhaps this provides some additional insight, since you've worked in the biz, EdisonLite??? Again, this particular CD is from 1991, so maybe something changed by the time Rhino's Radio Daze series was rolled out in 1995 - or perhaps the difference lies in U.K. vs. U.S. licensing rules/laws???
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<perhaps the difference lies in U.K. vs. U.S. licensing rules/laws???>
Yes, that's absolutely it. Not so much the rules - but they're different territories. Which means there can be different owners. Most of what you cited above is simply Publishing info. The part that's of interest is the "by arrangement with Robert Stigwood Orgn". This usually suggests that the 3rd party label licensed the recording from Robert Stigwood Org. (But perhaps it just means they provided the tape.) More importantly, the rights in the US may have been bought by Polygram, then Universal (but perhaps Stigwood kept the rights in the UK and certain other territories). It's quite possible that Rhino didn't go to the correct owner, that neither RSO or Universal has any paperwork saying they own the recording now, that the owner wanted too much money for the US (though I don't think that was the case here), or that the owner never responded one way or the other by the time the deadline approached for Rhino to move forward with the manufacturing.
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Thanks for the insight, EdisonLite...
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I think the rights to "Hold On to My Love" are owned by whomever administers the estate of Robin Gibb. The album and follow-up 45 both have the credit "℗ 1980 YAM INC.", which was a company set up by Robin Gibb in 1977 and dissolved in 1986.
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In the 80's and early 90's the owner was presumed to
be Polygram because the RSO catalog went to Polygram.
(and later Universal). This is how it ended up on a
few V/A comps back then. But it was discovered by
Polygram they didn't actually have the rights.
We tried to license the song in 2016 and we did track
down the current owner. It is in fact "the estate of
Robin Gibb". TimNeely is correct.
We put in a request for license to the Gibb
organization and were declined. This could be for any
number of reasons. Often, it boils down to the amount
of money they'd get isn't enough to cover the legal
costs of setting up the license. There could have been
other legal factors as well.
Either way, sadly it's unlikely this track will ever
be licensed for CD again.
MM
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MMathews wrote:
In the 80's and early 90's the owner was presumed to
be Polygram because the RSO catalog went to Polygram.
(and later Universal). This is how it ended up on a
few V/A comps back then. But it was discovered by
Polygram they didn't actually have the rights.
We tried to license the song in 2016 and we did track
down the current owner. It is in fact "the estate of
Robin Gibb". TimNeely is correct.
We put in a request for license to the Gibb
organization and were declined. This could be for any
number of reasons. Often, it boils down to the amount
of money they'd get isn't enough to cover the legal
costs of setting up the license. There could have been
other legal factors as well.
Either way, sadly it's unlikely this track will ever
be licensed for CD again.
MM
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It's a sad shame that any top 10 hit from that period can't make a various artist compilation in the U.S. and that the entire album never made it to CD here either...
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eriejwg wrote:
It's possible the 8:28 version might be the Disconet remix, as I've come
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Yes, all CD appearances of the 8:28 extended version are taken from the Disconet extended
version made exclusively for club and radio play. It as made from the 2 sides of the
vinyl 45, the hit version and instrumental B-side. And sadly, the 45 they used was
pressed off-center and you can hear this effect in parts of the extended mix.
MM
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Mark, are you saying that the extended version of Hold On to My Love on all CDs comes from vinyl?? That would really be bad if that's the case. And if so, have you tried to re-create the extended version by using as much as you can from the CD source? kinda like what I did to create the extended version of Kinks' "Come Dancing" - although after reading what I've learned tonight, I just ordered a CD that has the extended version of "Come Dancing" (hopefully taken from tape). Granted, recreating the Jimmy Ruffin extended version would require more work than that of the Kinks one, but I'm curious if you've tried that.
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Yes, Gordon, that's correct. The Disconet 12" was created
from vinyl and all CD appearances of it are from a vinyl
copy of that.
I've wanted to re-create it myself from better sources
but it's one of those projects that I may get to when I
retire. I do have a nice dub of the instrumental side
from a properly pressed 45.
MM
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Well, Mark ... I guess you're not the only person looking forward to YOUR retirement! :)
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