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Paul Haney
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Our commercial copy of "Open The Door To Your Heart" by Darrell Banks (Revilot 201) states a time of (2:37), but actually runs (2:28).
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Thanks, Paul. This is helpful because two of the database CDs containing "Open the Door to Your Heart" run at the correct 45 length, while all other CDs run :06 longer.
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By the way, does anyone have the Darrell Banks parent 1967 vinyl LP release Darrell Banks Is Here! who can report the run time of "Open the Door to Your Heart"? I'm wondering if the 2:34 length commonly found on CD may be reflective of a slightly longer LP version/length.
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There must've been a commercial 45 pressing variation for this 45, as my
timing info disagrees with Paul Haney's report of Mr. Whitburn's 45 at RR. My
copy of Revilot 401 is on the pink label, is vinyl, with handwritten deadwax
info of "ZTSC-107683". Like Paul's report, my copy has a listed time of
(2:37), but my copy actually runs just (2:25).
I will soon have Aaron compare my 45 against either the Eric or Rhino CD,
both of which I own, and both of which run (2:28) like Paul's, so I can find
out what's missing from my 45. I likely own a rarer pressing.
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Jim, I'd say it's a safe bet you do own a rarer pressing. The only time I've ever found this single on vinyl was on a promotional pressing, and even then I wasn't able to purchase it.
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You know what, Tom? I think you're right about that. I've never seen a
Revilot stock 45 that wasn't on styrene, either! I am suspicious. I am soon
sending it out to Aaron, for his analysis. I will get back to you. Thanks for
the assist!
Of late, I have been trying to acquire the *very* few remaining, missing
Top 40-peaking, stock 45 copies from my 60's collection. The problem?
These songs are rare, collectable, pricey, and still in demand. As such,
songs in this category are more of a risk to be bootlegged. As I was only
in 3rd grade back in 1966, I had to use my milk money for milk, not 45s!
:) So I'm now almost done, playing "catchup" on acquiring the last of
these. Please forgive me if the eBay gremlins throw me an occasional
"curve ball" in the process. We'll smoke 'em out!
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Our commercial copy is styrene. Deadwax info: a handwritten ZTSC-107683 (same as Jim's), also there is a T1 directly across the other deadwax info.
Edited by Paul Haney on 24 June 2013 at 11:56am
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my commercial copy runs 2:28 and has the etching 'ZTSC-
107683-4D' and then on the opposite side running the same
parallel 'T/1' in the run out groove......my commercial 45
has the underlining of 'revilot records' on a slant and not
on the same plane as the lettering of the title of the
song.......mine is also grey and NOT pink.......do i have a
bootleg version?.......paul haney, is your copy pink or
grey?
Edited by edtop40 on 24 June 2013 at 6:03pm
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edtop40 wrote:
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The label is pink.
Edited by Paul Haney on 25 June 2013 at 5:07am
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so...the question still remains....which color was the
originally issued version....the grey or pink?....
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Ed, I'm sure your grey copy is fine. I currently see two grey-label 45 copies
of "Open The Door..." offered on eBay, as well as one for his follow-up 45,
which also made the Hot 100, on a grey label. One of the Revilot pressing
plants clearly used grey labels....
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thanks jim...just wanted to make sure i didn't have one of
those 'bootleg' copies.....
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Ed, is your copy vinyl or styrene? How's the sound quality? Judging from the "T" inscribed in the deadwax (which I would presume to actually be "T||") it would appear to be a Columbia Terre Haute pressing, on styrene (that plant used "T|", "T||" and "T|||" over the years to denote various cuttings and re-cuttings.)
If it is a styrene pressing, the odds are extremely high that it's legit, because there was no way counterfeiters could afford the high cost outlay for the injection molding equipment required to manufacture styrene 45s (about five times the cost of conventional new vinyl presses.) Aside from the obvious cost savings of polystyrene over vinyl, the other major reason CBS, Shelley, Monarch and other styrene manufacturers invested in this expensive equipment was that the metal plates lasted far longer, since the injection-molding manufacturing process inflicted much less wear and tear than that caused through the physical impact of stamping each individual vinyl record. Fewer metal parts meant big cost reductions when pressing runs were huge.**
Counterfeiters, of course, were never going to manufacture anywhere near the number of copies needed to justify that level of equipment investment, instead opting for the cheapest used (and ancient) pressing equipment and the lowest grades of vinyl (hence the scarcity of styrene counterfeits.) Some oddball '70s styrene 45 reissues, like the Turtles' stereo "Happy Together"/"It Ain't Me Babe" on Buccaneer 3002 or the "96 Tears" reissue on the red-label Million Seller 800 were Columbia-pressed (not so for the white-label Million Seller 800; that one's a vinyl counterfeit, with different mastering and a different (slightly fancier, actually) logo font.
The vinyl Revilot 201 45s (the first release for the label) were likely the initial pressing, manufactured for the local Detroit market. I've seen a few other Detroit-based vinyl 45s carrying CBS' matrix prefixes (like ZTSC) that are legitimate copies that were mastered and pressed outside of the CBS plants, including my vinyl Impact pressing of "Oh How Happy."
A label scan posted on Discogs shows a vinyl grey-label Revilot 201. I'm not familiar enough with this record (never played in my market) to know whether it's 100% legit, but it doesn't appear to be an obvious counterfeit, either.
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** The much-longer service life of the metal stampers used in the injection molding process for styrene records explains why the first generation of Monarch-pressed styrene Dunhill Goldies 45s used the identical stampers Monarch had used for the original releases. Ditto for the original CBS mono DJ stampers that were dusted off for additional duty in the Columbia Hall Of Fame reissue series.
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