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I read that the 45 had the dry bass vocal, the echoey vocal first appearing on an LP in the '70s. Anyone can help me here?
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David,
I never heard the master with the dry bass vocal part until it was released on CD in the Legacy series. Prior to that I only heard it with the echo on any vinyl source. (but i've never heard an original 45, only re-issues, just as a disclaimer...)
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Bumping this one back up, I read the following regarding Eddie Cochran's "Summertime Blues" on a vinyl retail website:
The original U.S. single came in two versions, and [on] the rarer of the two... you'll notice that the spoken bits have a reverb effect. Later U.S. releases, and indeed all releases in the U.K. and Canada are reverb-free, as are reissue 45s and compilation LPs and CDs... The U.S. single also has a fade-out at the end, whereas other versions have a "cold" ending.
Source: Classic 45's
The database does currently note the numerous CDs containing the cold ending and missing reverb on the character responses. However, can anyone confirm if this particular version appears on some U.S. 45 pressings? If so, then the database comment will probably need to be modified accordingly.
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Strange! I've never heard the version without the reverb until just now. It seems that the Classic 45s website has it wrong, though. Mark says that all vinyl reissue copies he's heard have the echo, whereas the website states reissue 45s are reverb-free. It looks like it's a fairly even split for which version shows up on CD.
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I tend to agree that the Classic 45s website has it wrong. I never heard the
missing reverb version until the CD era. We need as many folks as possible
to pull their original and reissue singles, from the U.S., Canada, U.K. Wish I
could help, but I do not own a single of this track.
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The three U.S. 45s in my collection all have the reverb on the spoken parts:
1. Liberty 55144 - vinyl original 1958 RCA Indianapolis pressing, green label.
2. Liberty 54503 - vinyl reissue, circa 1968; cream & rainbow label "Audition Record" DJ 45, with no mention of "All Time Hits Series."
3. Liberty 54503 - styrene "All Time Hits Series" reissue, circa 1970, black & silver label. Missing the first guitar strum.
The label shown on the supposedly "rarer" single on the Classics 45 site is not from an RCA pressing, meaning that at least two different plants pressed the "with reverb" original 45.
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does any of the cd's in the db have the cold ending, the
proper reverb and the beginning guitar pick which is
missing on my cdr dub?......the vinyl 45 has what sounds
like a guitar pick at the beginning which isn't on my cdr
dub.....anyone?
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Ed, as far as i know the cold ending appeared at the same
time the "no reverb" version did, for CD.
In fact i'm sure it was from Ron Furmanek when he was
doing the all the collector series discs.
I'm not aware of a reverb version that also ends cold..
as far that opening guitar pick, i'm not sure.
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mark, looks like we have our next project to work on!!.....i will send you what i have to see if we can re-create the proper single version.....
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My copy, which I purchased in the late 60s is the same as
#3 on Yah Shure's list.
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pat, could check to see if any of the cd's in the db have the guitar strum/pick at the beginning?.....when you have time, of course.....
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does anyone have any of the db cd's that they could help with this riddle rgarding the guitar strum/pick?
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The Rhino Lil' Bit Of Gold Sampler 3-inch promo CD is my go-to source for this track. It includes the opening guitar strum, the reverb and the faded ending. And it sounds great.
The only other domestic CD I have with "Summertime Blues" is the BMG issue of EMI America's 1987 The Best Of Eddie Cochran disc. The opening strum is edited off of this with-reverb, faded ending track.
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Ok, interesting new info.
Ed sent me a dub of his 45, and the cd track he has
that's missing the opening guitar "pick". This is the
version Yah Shure describes above.
What's weird is Ed's 45 does NOT have the reverb (echo)
effect, and his 45 ends cold.
So Ed, your 45 matches perfectly the version that first
appeared on CD in EMI-Legendary Masters "24 Greatest Hits
Of All Time"....and a bunch of other discs since then.
But every vinyl compilation LP i ever heard the song on
always had the with-reverb version, and always faded.
I am very surprised! Seems this had 2 45 versions, but i
still suspect the "with-reverb" version is more common of
the two.
So, Ed, i guess you'll need to post your dead-wax info
for your 45.
I'll send you back your with-reverb version with the
opening fixed.
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mark.....i can't imagine my vinyl 45 is so
rare...but.....the run-out groove info is etched '45-LB-
0859-1' then machine stamped "C2"...the vinyl is green with
the listed run time of 1:53 but actually runs 1:58.....this
info s/b added to the db...
Edited by edtop40 on 05 February 2013 at 4:25pm
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edtop40 wrote:
mark.....i can't imagine my vinyl 45 is so
rare...but.....the run-out groove info is etched '45-LB-
0859-1' then machine stamped "C2"...the vinyl is green with
the listed run time of 1:53 but actually runs 1:58.....this
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Hope you mean the label is green and not the vinyl.
I believe both my stock and promotional copies in my storage locker both fade out, but it's going to be a while before I get back there to dig them out...
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yes...sorry....the label is green NOT the vinyl....
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As I was assembling 1958 I was not aware of this issue with the "reverb" "fade" and "no reverb" "no fade" versions. After also consulting numerous sources and someone who collects numerous 45's they indicated that Yah Shure's go to source is the correct 45 version.
I have also listened to the Rhino Lil' Bit Of Gold Sampler 3-inch promo CD for this track. It includes the opening guitar strum, the reverb and the faded ending like Yah Shure said.
45 versions on youtube all include the echo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blTAxMaKRfU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehBsIWdT4Zo
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I appear to have only one of these 45 versions, the first one from Glory Days of Rock N Roll - Rockability which fades out and has the echo.
I am unable to find the second of these 45 versions that is the cold ending. I do however have Eric Records DES stereo version from their release that has the cold ending.
Anyone know where the correct second 45 version is on CD, or did it never get there completely intact? Pat's database does not correctly label which is the 45 version(s) and which are not.
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The version that came out in 1958 was mono, had a faint opening guitar strum before the first downbeat, had echo on the boss's vocals (from 0:26 to 0:28, 0:58 to 1:00, and 1:30 to 1:33), and faded out. EDIT - This is the hit version. Some pressings of the 45 included a slightly different mix, detailed below.
Some of the early CDs (and a later one) lopped off the opening guitar strum:- Original Sound's Oldies But Goodies Vol. 8 (1986) - also has noise reduction; avoid
- Time-Life's Rock 'N' Roll Era Vol. 5 1958 RE-1 reissue (1987)
- Warner Special Products' 2-CD Bop (1989) - same analog transfer as above Time-Life disc
- Disky (Europe)'s 10-CD set The Beat Goes On Disc 6 (1997)
Rhino got it exactly right on the US commercial CD3 single Lil' Bit Of Gold (Rhino R3 73005, 1988). Sterling sound, too, with a small amount of pleasing hiss on the fade. The same analog transfer is used on:- Time-Life's History Of Rock 'N' Roll Vol. 1 Rock 'N' Roll Classics 1957-1959 (1992)
- Time-Life's Rock 'N' Roll Era Vol. 5 1958 RE-2 reissue (1992)
Finally, there's a slightly different mix that appeared on relatively few pressings of the 45 (it's not a 1991 remix by Ron Furmanek, Bob Norberg, Kevin Reeves, and Larry Walsh). This alternate mix first appeared on CD on the multi-artist compilation EMI Legends Of Rock N' Roll Series (24 Greatest Hits Of All Time) (1991). This mix includes the opening guitar strum, but differs from the hit version in two respects:- It lacks the echo on the boss's vocals (from 0:26 to 0:28, 0:58 to 1:00, and 1:30 to 1:33).
- It extends out to a cold ending. It's only about 4 beats longer than the end of the fade on the 45. Not much interesting happens; the band just stops playing on a downbeat.
All the versions with a cold ending are this alternate mix. It also appears on:- Razor & Tie's 2-CD Heroes Of Rock And Roll (1995)
- Rhino's Loud Fast And Out Of Control (1999), with extra dialogue at the beginning of the track
- Realm's 3-CD Summertime Party Pack (2002)
My recommendation
I agree with Yah Shure's recommendation completely - Rhino's Lil' Bit Of Gold (Rhino R3 73005, 1988) sounds great. If you find them for less $, the two Time-Life discs sound just as good for this track, but be sure you get the RE-2 reissue of Rock 'N' Roll Era Vol. 5 1958, not the RE-1 reissue or the original pressing.
Edited by crapfromthepast on 21 December 2021 at 8:08am
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