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I realize this release compiles their UK cannon, but are
the correct mono single versions of The Beatles' hits now
available on this boxed set or did the UK and US single
mixes differ?
Edited by Underground Dub on 12 September 2009 at 8:13pm
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BillCahill
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A lot of the early songs are obvioiusly different as the American versions had reverb and compression added. Most notabale were I Feel Fine and She's a Woman.
I'll Cry Instead was longer on the US single (I don't think it was a UK single at all)
My assumption is the mono box is the UK mono LP mixes.
But someone who has it will have to review it to be sure.
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I've always wondered about this, Bill, which is why I also asked the question a few weeks ago. In the database, there are only a few songs that specify "US 45 version with extra reverb added." Most of the other early songs either do not have notations or, if they do, make no mention of any reverb differences. Is this an oversight?
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No, only I Feel Fine and She's a Woman had extra reverb added, and POSSIBLY "Please Please Me," though as Aaron, Paul, and I recently deduced, if there is any extra reverb on the US version, it's so subtle that it's not audible. It appears to us that any different sound between the album and single versions of "Please Please Me" (at least, on the new mono remaster) are merely due to different EQing, not to added reverb.
As far as I can tell, the only US mono single mixes that were different from their British counterparts were:
- I Feel Fine (drenched in reverb -- on The Capitol Albums Vol 2)
- She's a Woman (drenched in reverb -- on The Capitol Albums Vol 2)
- And I Love Her (US is single-tracked vocal; on The Capitol Albums Vol 2)
- I Am the Walrus (British mono version is an EDIT -- the US mono single had an extra two-second bit right before the "yellow matted custard" line. This has never been issued on CD.)
I've also read (but have not verified) that the full volume drum hit at the end of the "Ballad of John and Yoko" on "Beatles 1" and the new remaster of "Past Masters" was on the 45, so if that's true, the full length 45 version is really only on those two CDs. (Though I suppose if you could boost the sound of the drum hit with an audio editor.) EDIT: Okay, I guess I verified it. According to the Usenet Guide to Beatles Recording Variations, "The single release has a loud final drumbeat; it is faded on the other releases."
Edited by Brian W. on 15 September 2009 at 2:26am
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Brian, thanks a TON for clearing that up! I'm going to obtain the Capitol Albums sets, since I don't currently own any of the early Beatles albums.
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Has the single version of Yellow Submarine appeared on cd yet? It had a guitar drum on the words "In The", while the mono and stereo album versions do not.
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I highly recommend both of the Beatles Capitol Albums box sets, Aaron. You'll hear the early Beatles music in the exact mono and stereo mixes (though sometimes in electronically rechanneled stereo) as they were originally presented to U.S. audiences.
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Tom, yes, Yellow Submarine has appeared in single form on CD. It's been on
the Beatles Singles Box all along, and now it appears on the new Beatles in
Mono box.
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Here's another difference between a Beatles UK and US 45. According to the Usenet Guide to Beatles Recording Variations, the brief studio chatter at the beginning of "For You Blue" was omitted from the US 45. Perhaps someone on the board with a copy can verify that.
According to the same source, on later pressings of "Baby You're a Rich Man," there was the tail end of an apparent countoff right before the song starts, either "seven" or "eleven." (I guess it's just "even.") But this was not present on the early pressings of the song, so it was probably not on the "hit version."
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Brian W. wrote:
| Here's another difference between a Beatles UK and US 45. According to the Usenet Guide to Beatles Recording Variations, the brief studio chatter at the beginning of "For You Blue" was omitted from the US 45. |
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Thanks, Brian. I'd been wondering about that, since the chatter is not on either of my re-issue 45s.
"The Long And Winding Road/For You Blue" was not issued as a 45 in the UK, which is why it is not on the singles box.
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TomDiehl1 wrote:
| Has the single version of Yellow Submarine appeared on cd yet? It had a guitar drum on the words "In The", while the mono and stereo album versions do not. |
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Another difference is the point at which John starts repeating Ringo's lines during the "As we live a life of ease" verse, which he starts doing earlier on the mono version.
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That was John? I had always thought it was Paul.
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Paul C wrote:
[QUOTE=Brian W.]
"The Long And Winding Road/For You Blue" was not issued as a 45 in the UK, which is why it is not on the singles box.
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That's right, I forgot that. I should have said it was the difference between the 45 and the album version.
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Now that I finally have my Beatles Stereo and Mono box sets copied, and I am starting to listen to (and enjoy) them, I looked in the database to see if the entries are loaded. Can somebody check these out who is more of an expert than me to see if everything is listed? For instance, "Can't Buy Me Love" is only shown as part of the stereo box set and not on the remastered "A Hard Day's Night" CD.
Additionally, Pat, are you going to list the new discs as the remastered versions? It is probably not a big deal, but years from now when the green goes away, it may alleviate possible confusion, even if the discs are listed by their chronological release date.
Finally, am I correct that the mono remasters are not, and will not be, listed in the database because the mono box set is an import from Japan?
Thanks for any help.
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maciav wrote:
| Finally, am I correct that the mono remasters are not, and will not be, listed in the database because the mono box set is an import from Japan? |
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I don't know about them being listed in the database, but they are not Japanese imports... they may have been pressed in Japan, as quite a few CDs are. The mono box is a domestic release.
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I don't know about them being listed in the database, but they are not Japanese imports... they may have been pressed in Japan, as quite a few CDs are. The mono box is a domestic release.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, I wouldn't consider the mono set to be an import either--it's really no different a situation than what was seen in the early days of CDs before manufacturing plants were up and running in the U.S. Most CDs were manufactured in Japan and West Germany to be sold in the U.S. In fact, many of those CDs were manufactured overseas, but had the front and back inserts printed in the U.S.A.
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