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Nothing noted next to any of the CDs for "Give It To Me Baby." It does list the run times for the LP and single version, but does anyone know if it's an early fade or if the single is edited?
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By the way, there are several CDs with run times of 4:15, which appears to be 11 seconds longer than the LP version. Looks like we need to sort some things out for this one.
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While this won't help with times, I'm pretty sure the single mix is sped up, as compared to the album version.
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When compared with the 4:04 version, the 3:51 version on Jim's Hitsville Vol. 2 box set is about 2% faster and fades earlier. The mix sounds the same, and there are no edits. Thanks for assisting on this one, Jim!
To summarize, the database should probably indicate the following:
"45 speed and length"
"LP speed and length"
For discs that run longer, we still need to determine if it's longer on the fade out, or if there is something unique about these versions.
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The version on "Hitsville USA Vol. 2" has an actual run
time of 3:53. The last two seconds are very low volume
because they "helped" the fade along, but if you pump the
volume up high and listen with headphones you'll hear an
extra "give it to me" along with plenty of tape hiss.
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Aaron, the 45 is a different mix. Listen to the
handclaps. On the album mix, they are constant on the 2
and the 4 in each bar. On the 45 it is: 1-2-3-clap! 1-
2-3-clap! in each bar in the two verses. Also, it is
also a bit drier (less reverb). It also fades earlier.
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Hey Grant, I don't have the actual 45 as a reference, but you are correct about the handclaps. The CD copies that run at a faster pitch (both 3:53 and 4:16 lengths) I hear the handclaps on the 4 count only during the verses. The slower pitched versions that run 4:04 have handclaps on the 2 and 4 count during the verse. Good catch!
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I don't have the song at all on vinyl, so I'm trying to unravel the release history.
I have the faster (about 122 or 123 BPM), clap-on-the-fours-during-the-verses version on Motown's 25 #1 Hits From 25 Years Vol. 2 (1985), where it runs 4:15. The same analog transfer is used on Priority's Mega-Hits Dance Classics Vol. 9 (1991).
It looks like the same source tape (and possibly the same analog transfer) is used for Motown's 4-CD Hitsville U.S.A. Vol. 2 (1993), but with an early fade from 3:35 to 3:53. I'm pretty sure that Bill Inglot re-did many of the fades on the Hitsville sets, using very low-generation source tapes. This is one of those. If you crank the volume up by 60 dB on the fade, you can hear the tape slow down and stop, which is pretty cool. There's a digitally identical clone of Hitsville on Time-Life's Solid Gold Soul Vol. 29 Make It Funky (2001).
I have the slower (about 120 BPM), clap-on-twos-and-fours-during-the-verses version on Motown's single-artist Rick James CD Ultimate Collection (1997), where it runs 4:06. The mastering is a teeny bit compressed, but it sounds just fine here. There's a digital clone on PolyGram's Pure Funk Vol. 2 (1999; digitally exactly 1 dB quieter). The same analog transfer is used for Realm's 3-CD Ultimate Funk Classics (2002).
Edited by crapfromthepast on 22 June 2016 at 6:44am
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The 45 of "Give It To Me Baby" was released in February 1981.
The Street Songs album came out about two months later in April 1981.
It looks like Rick James thought that the 45 mix needed a little tweaking for the album, hence the remix.
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crapfromthepast wrote:
It looks like Rick James thought that the 45 mix needed a
little tweaking for the album, hence the remix. |
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Or the other way around.
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The Hits Man wrote:
crapfromthepast wrote:
It looks like Rick James thought that the 45 mix needed a
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Or the other way around. |
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Not sure about that, since the LP came out two months after the 45.
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crapfromthepast wrote:
The Hits Man wrote:
crapfromthepast wrote:
It looks like Rick James thought that the 45 mix needed
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little tweaking for the album, hence the remix. |
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Not sure about that, since the LP came out two months
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The album could have been mixed long before the single
was mixed. The album could have been held up by any
number of things, like working on another track, mixing,
legal issues. The desire could have been to make the
single sound different to encourage people to buy the
album. Or, maybe Rick james just felt the single mix
counded better on the radio. He's not here, so we can't
ask him.
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