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Always enjoyed Gerry Rafferty's work--and for a long time the (4:08) 45 version of "Baker Street" was one of the hardest to track down on CD. Now I'd like to try to edit his other three LP versions on CD to match the 45 (strangely enough, "Days Gone Down" is still not available on CD while his other top-40 hits are)--that is, of course, when my computer gets repaired.
I did create one edit of "Right Down The Line" from a somewhat scratchy 45 put onto a CD for me--but because it's somewhat scratchy I'm not sure if I nailed the edits (converting the LP to a 45 also requires a slightly faster change in speed/pitch). But for "Home And Dry" and "Get It Right Next Time" I haven't a clue about edits or pitch/speed. Anyone have any insight?
Edited by sriv94 on 13 January 2006 at 8:15am
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i have all 5 of his top 40 hits on cd, but NOT in the 45 versions........i have a few that paul re-created in their 45 versions on cd.......can i send mps of them to your for your review.........i also have the actual 45's of all 5 top 40 songs as well....if you need them
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"Get It Right Next Time" has a lousy-sounding fade-in for the 45 version. I recreated it, but it sounds sloppy, just like the 45. I can't remember if this one required a speed adjustment like the City to City singles did.
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edtop40 wrote:
| i have all 5 of his top 40 hits on cd, but NOT in the 45 versions........i have a few that paul re-created in their 45 versions on cd.......can i send mps of them to your for your review.........i also have the actual 45's of all 5 top 40 songs as well....if you need them |
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I'll take you up on that, but I'll let you know when (once my home computer is repaired). Thanks! :)
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Roscoe wrote:
| "Get It Right Next Time" has a lousy-sounding fade-in for the 45 version. I recreated it, but it sounds sloppy, just like the 45. I can't remember if this one required a speed adjustment like the City to City singles did. |
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Interesting. Is that the only difference between the 45 and LP for "Get It Right Next Time," or are there others?
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ok let me know
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sriv94 wrote:
Roscoe wrote:
| "Get It Right Next Time" has a lousy-sounding fade-in for the 45 version. I recreated it, but it sounds sloppy, just like the 45. I can't remember if this one required a speed adjustment like the City to City singles did. |
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Interesting. Is that the only difference between the 45 and LP for "Get It Right Next Time," or are there others? |
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A chunk of the long instrumental outro has also been edited out, but I can't remember where the edit is. I don't think there's a speed adjustment, though. I just listened to the fade-in from the 45 version again. It starts at about the :31 second mark and the full fade-in only takes for about 1 second. That's why it sounds so sloppy.
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For the single version of "Right Down The Line," edit the introduction
from 0:08 to 0:23, using the cowbell hit as the marker. After that,
edit the guitar solo from 2:25 to 2:40, using the normal beats. After
that edit out the end of the track from 3:42 on. Then go back and
add a fade-out from just after the last big piano chord to the end.
The fade-out is at first gradual then drops quickly from 3:37 on, so
use a 'convex' curve on the fade-out. After that, speed up the track
to 105%, and that should do it. (The time markers are rounded to
the nearest second, but you'll be able to use the beats to determine
the edits.) I'm working on single versions for "Days Gone Down" and
"Get It RIght Next Time". The single version of "Days" is not only
edited but repeats and tags on the second chorus to the end of the
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Thanks, Paul, for the update. Unfortunately, some of the jargon is new to me--what is a "convex" curve?
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It just means that if you have a special fade designer on your sound
program, instead of a striaght-line fade, you adjust the fade to be
flatter at the beginning, then gradually becoming steeper to the end,
so it appears to be an arc (a convex, or curved, line). 'Convex' is my
term; I don't know what the official jargon would be.
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Sorry to dredge this thread--but I was thinking of this tune earlier. Did anyone ever come up with a way to replicate the 45 version of "Days Gone Down (Still Got The Light In Your Eyes)?"
/Of course, for me to try to duplicate it I'd have to find the LP version somewhere as well. :)
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I made what I thought was the single edit of "Days Gone Down" about ten years ago, from a CD containing the long version, and I can send you an mp3 of this for you to check it out if you'd like - But now I'm not sure it's correct. You wrote:
"The single version of "Days" is not only
edited but repeats and tags on the second chorus to the end of the
track."
I remember duplicating the awkward edit near the end but I don't remember repeating the 2nd chorus. Of course, I did this edit 10 years ago and it could simply be that I don't remember all that I did to make the edit. Are you saying that instead of the third chorus, they replaced it with the second chorus?
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That was Paul Esch who wrote that, not me.
But sure, please feel free to send it along. I think Ed said he said the vinyl 45 as well. Can't really A/B it with the software I have, though--anyone wanna volunteer to take Gordon's CD-quality version and Ed's vinyl 45 to do a comparison?
(That is, assuming Ed's wililng to share). :)
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Sure, Doug. What is your email address (I can't find it.)
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Whoops--I forgot that Ed sent me a vinyl dub about a year ago. Where does the time go?
Sorry about that, Ed.
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Sorry for the delay, but I think I finally figured out the editing to make
"Days Gone Down" into the 45 version, though it's tricky. I used the
version from the European import Baker Steet (1999 Disky 854422).
--First, edit out part of the intro from :48 to 1:04.
--Second, edit out the first chorus and second verse, from 1:32 to 2:34,
to go directly from the end of the first verse to the second chorus.
--The second chorus has the "shine a light" tag on the end. After the
third verse, the third chorus is edited after Gerry sings "Yes, you do" at
approximately the 3:08 mark (it sounds as though the edit point is right
before the next line after "Yes, you do"), and the corresponding part of
the second chorus must be grafted onto the end, so, once again the
"shine a light" tag is there.
--After that, the "shine a light" tag must be copied and added on after
the third "shine a light". In other words, the "shine a light" tag repeats
three times in the chorus, but four times at the end of the 45 version. So,
graft on the "shine a light" until you have about a 4:00-long track and cut
the rest. Then put on a 15-second fade on the end.
The one point I'm not sure of is the actual length of the 45 version,
since I don't trust my ol' turntable to be accurate. Could anyone give the
actual length of the single version, and if there are any speed issues to be
aware of?
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For Gerry Rafferty fans and Top 40 collectors alike, you'll be interested to know that the Collectables label recently reissued two of Rafferty's most commercially successful solo albums on one CD: City to City/Night Owls (catalog #2919). This means "Days Gone Down (Still Got the Light in Your Eyes)" officially makes its CD debut in the U.S. at long last! (And frankly, I'm quite surprised it's taken this long for America to reissue this song and the Night Owls album on CD, especially when both have been available on compact disc in Europe since the late '80s!)
Oh, and to answer your question, Paul, the single version of "Days Gone Down" runs 3:58. I have an dub of Ed's vinyl 45 copy on mp3 and the accuracy of his turntable speed seems to be pretty much on target.
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I just matched the CD version of "Days Gone Down" to the vinyl 45. Paul is correct about the edits. There's one on the intro; first chorus and second verse are cut out; and after the third verse, the second "shine a light" chorus has to be pasted on the end and looped. (On the LP version, it goes to an instrumental section.)
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Very sad to hear today that Gerry Rafferty died at age 63. His publicist announced that he had a "long illness". Really sad. Too young. Besides his 2 biggest hits, I particularly liked Stealers Wheel's "Star" and "Found My Way To You" as well as "Days Gone Down". RIP, Gerry. A very talented singer and songwriter.
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Rafferty did some amazing music, including the not yet mentioned "Everythng'll Turn Out Fine" with Stealers Wheel. But (and it's not a single) the best song he ever did (in my humble opinion) is "The Way It Always Starts" from the "Local Hero" soundtrack. Mark Knopfler co-wrote it with Rafferty, Alan Clark, Neil Jason and Steve Jordan. It's an absolutely beautiful song. Check it out. Dan
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