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Roscoe
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Posted: 12 February 2012 at 5:31pm \| IP Logged

I thought for sure there would be an existing thread on
this but a search didn't turn up anything: There's an
active thread on the Steve Hoffman forum about the mono
45 version of Three Dog Night's "One" and a poster
indicates that he folded the version from the "Celebrate"
set to mono and that it matched his mono 45 with no
discernable mix differences.

I tried the same thing and got the same result: the only
differences I heard between my 45 and a fold-down of the
Celebrate version were the typical Dunhill eq and
compression (also the 45 fades early).

But the database listing for this song notes that "the
mono 45 has a totally different mix than the LP". I
don't completely trust my ears. What are the mix
differences that I (and the Hoffman contributor) are
missing?

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Posted: 12 February 2012 at 8:38pm \| IP Logged

First, the Steve Hoffman contributor should compare the 45 to the parent LP which is "Three Dog Night" and not the "Celebrate" hits compilation but in this case it doesn't matter. The 45 is swimming in reverb and there is no stereo cd release that includes this reverb.

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Posted: 13 February 2012 at 7:15am \| IP Logged

I believe that the key difference between the mono single mix and the stereo LP mix is that during the middle of the song when the music gets mixed out, leaving just the accapella singing of "Celebrate Celebrate Dance to the Music", the drums come back in LATER on the mono 45 version.

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Posted: 13 February 2012 at 8:12am \| IP Logged

Bill, "One" word: caffeine. :) "One," not "Celebrate."

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Posted: 13 February 2012 at 1:08pm \| IP Logged

Yeah I read it wrong.. sorry. As far as "One" is concerned I agree that the reverb is a major difference.

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Posted: 15 February 2012 at 6:01am \| IP Logged

The Chicago horn section is also a bit more prominent on
the "Celebrate" mono single.

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Posted: 19 September 2015 at 10:38pm \| IP Logged

As the LP version is 3:02 and the single version is 2:47 but in mono and with extra reverb, if I were to take the 3:02 version and fade it to 2:47, would that approximate the single version - or is there also edits that make the single the shorter length of 2:47?

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Gordon: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=avh9Fep_W64

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Posted: 21 September 2015 at 7:50am \| IP Logged

Here's the link:

Edited by Steve Carras on 21 September 2015 at 8:51pm

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Posted: 21 September 2015 at 8:52pm \| IP Logged

BTW Does anyone know why the labels on some, like my copy, and that of one of the posters on that channel were reversed, so Chest Fever's listed oin the A side?

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Posted: 22 September 2015 at 4:50am \| IP Logged

Could it have initially been released with "Chest Fever" as
the A side? My promo has "One" on both sides...not unusual
for some labels, but it's the only double-A side Dunhill
single I've ever seen prior to mid-1971 when they started
issuing promos mono/stereo.
I'm thinking it could have been a reservice, leaving no doubt
as to what was REALLY the plug side.

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Posted: 22 September 2015 at 6:13am \| IP Logged

Interesting observation about the A- and B-sides. In the video, I couldn't
see any marking on the side shown that would indicate either way.

By the way, I'm also of the belief that there is little, if any, noticeable
difference between the mono and stereo mixes. Pat says the mono is
"swimming in reverb" and that no stereo copy contains this reverb. I
folded down the stereo and did an A/B comparison, and they sound
very close to my ears.

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Posted: 22 September 2015 at 7:44am \| IP Logged

Steve Carras wrote:

BTW Does anyone know why the labels on some, like my copy, and that of one of the posters on that channel were reversed, so Chest Fever's listed on the A side?

Steve, could you please further clarify your statement? From your description above, I'm not sure whether your copy:

1.) Has the letter "A" printed on the "Chest Fever" side of the label.

*or*

2.) Has the labels reversed, i.e., the side labeled "Chest Fever" actually plays "One" and the side labeled "One" actually plays "Chest Fever."

If #1 is the case, that would be the first I've heard of any pre-'70s original Dunhill stock 45 having the letter "A" printed on the A-side.

If #2 is the case, reversed-label syndrome isn't all that uncommon. Mix-ups did occur. I was so dazzled by the spiffy picture sleeve that came with the Hollies' "On A Carousel" 45 (and that thought that Imperial would actually issue one) that I failed to notice the record itself had the B-side "All The World Is Love" labels on both sides until I got it home (the label printing on the side that played "Carousel" was a little fuzzier, so it wasn't hard to tell which side was which.)

The other poster on that YouTube video had said their labels were "backwards," a description which also could be left to interpretation. Did they mean "enO" and "reveF tsehC" backwards? Or upside-down backwards, in which case the white back sides of the labels would have been on the top sides? Or that the vinyl was pressed on top of the labels? So many possibilities... :)

Edited by Yah Shure on 22 September 2015 at 4:32pm

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Posted: 22 September 2015 at 4:17pm \| IP Logged

#2. CHEST FEVER is the side A, that plays "One", and ONE is the side B, that plays "Chest Fever". Guess which side I played first.."ONE"! aka actually Chest Fever.

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Posted: 22 September 2015 at 5:16pm \| IP Logged

Thanks, Steve. Keep in mind that even if the labels are inadvertently reversed as they are on your copy, it doesn't change the actual designated "A" and "B" sides of the record. Dunhill never issued "Chest Fever" as a designated "A" side.

Considering the sheer number of copies needed to land any given record in the top 40, there's a good chance that at least a couple of those copies might have been pressed with the labels reversed. Even though the stock 45 of the Hollies single I mentioned above had the B-side label pasted on both sides, I would never say that both sides were the "B" side of the record, simply because one side was mislabeled.

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