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Does anyone know if the LP version of Dolly Parton's "Two Doors Down" is available on any CD, maybe a Special Products or import CD? The first verse on this version (the "all alone in my apartment" verse) is not on the single version. To me, the single version is like missing Chapter 1 of a book. That whole part of the story is missing. The album version that I seek is on the "Here You Come Again" LP, but interestingly it's not on the "Here You Come Again" CD of the same album! They took off that version and included the single mix/version instead. Maybe an early version of the CD has the album mix??
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Very interesting observation regarding "Two Doors Down". I checked the few domestic cd's that this song appears on and all of them feature the 45 version. What I found personally interesting was that the LP version and the 45 version are two different vocal takes. On the LP version you will find the line "I ask him if he'd like to be alone so we start walkin'" while on the 45 version the word "so" is sung as "and". I'll go add this right now to the errata/corrections page.
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One reason that both versions are about the same length is that -- while the 45 version is missing the "original first verse" where she is "alone in [her] apartment" -- it also ADDS a bridge which is not found in the album version at all. For those of you who know the song, it's the part that goes "Ah ha ho, oh-oo-woh two doors down. Ah ha ho, oh-oo-woh two doors down." My guess is that the record company realized they had a potential hit on their hand and they asked Dolly to go back and add a bridge and re-record the vocal. The instrumentation seems quite different, too. And with the new longer version, they probably felt they had to cut out a verse to keep the song at a "single length".
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Record companies do that sometimes, unfortunately -- replace a track on an album with the hit single version. Whitney's "Greatest Love of All" is one that comes to mind. On the original CD, it was a completely different mix. Even some parts of the vocal were different.
The opposite is done, too. "The Way We Were" is a good example, where the hit single version was actually a different recording (vocally) than the later LP version. But the hit version has never appeared on any album -- even in pre-CD days -- so it's sort of become the "standard" version, and few people (perhaps even Streisand herself) remember it's not the original.
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Brian writes: "Whitney's "Greatest Love of All" is one that comes to mind. On the original CD, it was a completely different mix. Even some parts of the vocal were different."
I bought both versions of the CD to have the "acoustic piano" version and the "electric piano" version. I only noticed the different keyboard sound and the shorter intro. Brian, what parts of the vocal are different? I can't believe I never noticed this. Was there anything else different as well?
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EdisonLite wrote:
| Brian, what parts of the vocal are different? I can't believe I never noticed this. Was there anything else different as well? |
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It's been a long time since I listened, so I just went back and checked. Here's what's different on the original LP mix:
- At the end of the first chorus, different take on the line "learning to love yourself." "Learning" is not belted quiet so strongly, she goes up on "love" rather than down, and breaks it into two notes (luh-uve), plus she does a little "your se-he-he-helf," which is not present on the single. (It sounds like the single may have dubbed in that line from the second chorus.) So in the first chorus she sings, "learning to luh-UVE (breath) yourse-he-he-helf."
- The second chorus has a whole section that's a different take, from "at least I'll live" straight up to "dignity." She sings the whole section more smoothly, does not take a breath between "as I believe" and "no matter," does not punctuate "FROM" on "no matter what they take from me." Plus, though she still punches the "MY" in "MY dignity," there is NO GROWL.
That's all the differences I can hear.
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hey brian.....i just listened to the 45 side by side to the cd and if you can hear a diference between the 45 and the version from, her self titled cd from 1985 you ARE amazing.......no difference AT ALL to me...........EXCEPT the running time on the 45 states it is 4:30 while the actual rt of the 45 co-incides with the cd version at 4:47.........
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I think you're misunderstanding, Ed. The 45 version WAS on her first album... but not till after the single was released. They substituted it in the re-pressings of her album.
The difference in instrumentation is very obvious right from the beginning -- the original mix starts out with an acoustic piano, plunking out the notes by itself -- you could play it on one hand. The 45 (and later LP) version starts out with some sort of electronic keyboard playing the notes.
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BTW, there is NO indication on the artwork which CD is which -- they didn't even change the catalog number.
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thx for the clarification...
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Brian, thanks for the details on the Houston song.
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A little update on this song. I was speaking with a Parton expert who runs a Dolly Parton website, and he told me:
"Actually, what happened with "Two Doors Down" was the first half million or so copies of the album came out with the original version in late 1977. Then Dolly decided she wanted to market the song as more of a pop single than country and allow a newcomer, Zelda Lehr, to record a more country version of the song. To make hers sound more "pop," she re-recorded it around January 1978 and put the new version on the second half million or so copies of the record sold in 1978 (because it passed the 1 million mark before the end of the year) and released the second version as the single. So rather than it being just a "single" version, the song became the new "album" version. Dolly's new version made the pop top 20 and Zelda's made the country top 10. The new version was the one that appeared on pretty much every single compilation and re-issue thereafter."
So, much like Whitney's "Greatest Love Of All" single version actually replaced the original album version on later pressings of the album, the same thing happened here -- after about a half million albums were sold with the original version.
So for all the CD pressings with the "single version", it should be modified to say something like "single version and 2nd pressings of the album version".
For those interested, the original album version of "Two Doors Down" (which has a whole first verse not found on the single version) is only available on CD in Australia and the UK on a 3-CD set called "Legendary".
Lastly, this person told me: "And she did re-record the entire song: completely new lead vocals, completely new background vocals, completely new accompaniment, everything."
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In response to Brian's comments above about the differences between the vocals on the album and single versions of Whitney's "Greatest Love Of All", I noticed one other: On the last word of the song ("all"), on the single version they fade out the word while the instrumentation stays at the same volume, and on the original album version, they don't fade Whitney's singing of the word at all (nor does the instrumentation fade). So on the single version, her last note eventually gets faded almost into obvlivion, while the production holds strong. Kind of an odd thing to do for the Premiere Diva Singer they were trying to show her to be during her first album - You'd think for the single Arista would want her to shine on the last note, not sound like she doesn't have enough breath to hold a note long and strong!!
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Gordon,
is my memory getting that bad?
I thought the last words in the song are "find your strength in "love". A minor point, but it is a classic. :-)
-mm
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No, it's MY memory. I should have said that the last word was "love", not "all". All the rest of my above statement is correct, though. It was the word "love" that I was talking about.
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aw, i know, i was just bustin'. :-)
Actually i had never noticed the many differnces in the vocal track.
Very cool inside info about "Two Doors Down"!
-MM
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Yes, indeed. No LP original version on CD and most pressings of the LP. Another hard to get unique track from her (the AC mix of "Think About Me" being another hard to find on CD version.
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KentT wrote:
| Yes, indeed. No LP original version on CD and most pressings of the LP. Another hard to get unique track from her (the AC mix of "Think About Me" being another hard to find on CD version. |
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Actually, there IS a CD with the original LP version of "Two Doors Down" - the 3-CD Set "Legendary", released in the UK and Australia, but never US. As for Dolly's "Think About Love", I think what you're calling the "AC mix" is simply the 45 version, which is indeed different from the LP version and has never been released on CD anywhere. As far as I know, there are 3 mixes for this song, the LP mix and an alt mix (both readily available on CD) and the 7" mix which is not on CD. Also, I think the 7" mix was served to country radio - I don't believe country radio stations received promo 45s that had the LP mix. But if anyone has proof they did, please show us a label. Also, though you talk about an "AC mix", does anyone know - was this song ever actually serviced to AC radio? It never charted AC, I never heard it on any AC station, and I always thought RCA decided to not promote this song to either pop or AC stations at the time.
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For NY, where i was at the time, i'd assume "Think About
Love" was indeed serviced to A/C stations, because that's
where i always heard it.
I never listened to country radio at that time.
Alas, i have no memory of what mix they played.
Funny the memories that DO stick to a song.. i was was
working at a supermarket back then, and in the back room
the A/C station was always on.
We were all unpacking our totes, and that song came on. A
co-worker turned it up, she said "ooh i love this song!"
and we were all kinda singing along loudly.
-MM
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We've covered this same "Think About Love" 45 version/LP version ground previously in the More Dolly Parton thread. There was no "AC mix," per se; the Dave Thoener remix was the 45 version, as Gordon indicated.
RCA serviced country radio with the 45 version. That was what we played on the separately-programmed AM/FM country combo in Minneapolis/St. Paul where I worked when the record was current.
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