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After comparing the mono mix with the stereo mix, I believe a notation should be made in the database for CDs with the mono mix that reads "mono LP and 45 version." The stereo version is missing the slap back echo on the percussion/handclaps and lead vocal. Instead, the stereo version has added reverb to the vocal and percussion.
The very first post on the board, made by Bob Lovely, talks about "The Wanderer" being "dry" on some stereo mixes and "wet" on others, and he says that the reverb was added during the mastering. This makes sense for both "The Wanderer" and "Runaround Sue" because the vocal on the mono mix does not sound like reverb has been added. Instead, the vocal has the tape/slapback echo that is missing from the stereo versions.
Edited by aaronk on 20 August 2012 at 11:48pm
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Is it possible some mono versions may be an earlier or
alternate vocal take?
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Anything is possible, but the mono and stereo mixes I have are the
same vocal take.
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Aaron,
after i saw this i was curious because i hadn't heard the
mono version of this since the early 80's... (and never
looked back!)
So i went to youtube and i must have played 5 or 6
different dubs of the 45...i must say i DO hear what you
mean about the slap echo, but only on the hand-claps, and
maaaybe the backing vocals (del-satins, i believe) but i
do not hear echo on Dion. I hear standard reverb.
Not disagreeing about a LP/45 version notation but i
never recalled hearing slap echo on Dion himself.
anyone else?
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What I'm hearing (at least on my mono copy) is a very subtle slapback after the song kicks in. What I'm calling "slapback" is basically the entire vocal delayed by less than a half second and at a lower volume. I sent you my mono copy to hear the same copy I'm listening to.
It's most noticeable on the "s" consonent (such as on the line at 0:54 "listen people what I'm telling you," the "s" in listen) and when the music stops during the line "keep away from runaround Sue." It's not just reverb; it's a vocal delay at a lower volume, which is what I'm calling slapback.
Edited by aaronk on 22 August 2012 at 11:03pm
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Ok
Aaron sent me a nice clear dub of his 45, and i DO hear
the slap echo (aka tape-delay) on Dion's voice as well,
it occurs during the body of the song, just not in the
intro.
Interestingly, you'd think you could sort of "create" a
stereo 45 mix by adding some echo to the stereo mix,
however i don't hear it on the Del-satins, only on Dion
and the clapping. They come thru loud and clear without
the echo.
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Ok, I'm glad I'm not crazy, Mark!
I noticed that Pat has added the "45 and mono LP version" comment
next to the appropriate CDs. How do you think the stereo mix ought to
be labeled? It is my understanding that there were no stereo LP
versions released in 1961. That would technically make all those CDs
"remixed" or "neither" versions, right?
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Well, since the stereo version did debut on an LP, i'd
think "LP version" should still suffice. It just happens
that the LP in question was later.
I can't be sure, but i think it was a V/A Lp from 1968
called something "Laurie Golden Goodies" - i used to own
it. I'm sure can expert can correct me on that.
Otherwise, since the stereo mix is so prevalent, why not
just put "45 version" next to a cd with it, and leave the
others with no label. Does it really need one?
Just a thought.
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I'm of the opinion that if the database is going to include "45 and mono LP version" comments for "Runaround Sue", then there really should a comment for the stereo mix since it technically can't be considered the "hit" version due to the reverb/echo differences. I would suggest maybe either adding a general comment underneath the song title stating something like: "The stereo version of this song is slightly remixed", or individually inserting a "slightly remixed" comment next to each stereo CD entry.
Edited by Todd Ireland on 24 August 2012 at 5:59pm
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yes, Mark, according to the BSN website's extensive LP labels discography
section, Runaround Sue was in true stereo on the 1967 LP "Laurie Golden
Goodies". You have a great memory!
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aaronk wrote:
Ok, I'm glad I'm not crazy, Mark!
I noticed that Pat has added the "45 and mono LP version" comment
next to the appropriate CDs. How do you think the stereo mix ought to
be labeled? It is my understanding that there were no stereo LP
versions released in 1961. That would technically make all those CDs
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Aaron,
You can hear the clear difference between the Mono and the Stereo. This would be a perfect one for Eric Records to do in DES Stereo! I labeled it Stereo LP Remix since you are right no LP versions were released in 1961, but it was on an LP and it was a "remixed" version.
Good ear!
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Ace's Stereo is excellent on their LP and CD. And no
Columbia echo chamber on this recording(which was at the
30th Street studio in New York City) and this will never
sound correct. Which is how Laurie got their reverb.
Edited by KentT on 19 February 2022 at 7:11pm
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