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MMathews
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Hi all,
I noticed the database doesn't differentiate between the
stereo and mono versions, but i noticed a difference that
may indicate some cd's should have the comment "45
version".
It is a minor detail that makes the differences, but
nonetheless it is there. It only involves ONE drum beat.
I'd long forgotten this difference. I hadn't heard the
mono version since the mid-80's. (thanks, Ron!)
OK - The MONO 45 version has a loud organ note and drum
beat that cut in at exactly 1:42. It is an edit. The
edit cuts off the word "of" from the bridge part where he
sings "i told her all the things i'd been dreamin'
ooo[cut]..now we're together.."
It dates back to the unedited original version. As some
may know, in the original, there is a trippy psychedelic
organ break that starts at 1:28 and runs to 1:42.
At some point early on, someone wisely decided that break
sounded nothing like the rest of the song, and replaced
the break with a 2nd copy of the bridge that starts at
:50.
They simply spliced that bridge in at 1:28 and it splices
BACK to the ending at 1:42 to include the final drum beat
of the organ break (and it's reverb trail is also when he
sings "now we're together").
NOW - when they mixed it for stereo, they very
efficiently mixed it in its "hit" version, and put a 2nd
copy of the first bridge right at 1:28 to replicate the
45.
Only difference is, they mixed it special from the
multi's
to transition to the line "now we're together" - so there
is no "organ+drum beat" resulting from the edit, they
instead edit on the word "now". So we never hear the
last beat of the organ break, and there also is no reverb
tail from that final beat.
Long story for such a short difference!
Now, i'm not sure how one might label the stereo mix,
that is I am not sure if it was the actual "LP Version"
or if it was first mixed to stereo for a "best-of" type
album. My earliest stereo vinyl dated to late 60's UK
Best-of album on EMI-Odeon.
But the "45 version" is definitely that, since only that
edit was on the 45. I presume all database entries that
are in mono are the 45 version, with the exception of the
ones marked "unedited version which is not the hit
version".
MM
Edited by MMathews on 03 March 2013 at 5:09pm
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Which version was on the mono album?
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MMathews wrote:
| Now, i'm not sure how one might label the stereo mix, that is I am not sure if it was the actual "LP Version" or if it was first mixed to stereo for a "best-of" type album. My earliest stereo vinyl dated to late 60's UK Best-of album on EMI-Odeon. |
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Nice catch, Mark!
On my stereo copy of the Manfreds' first U.S. best-of (Manfred Mann's Greatest Hits, United Artists 6551), DWDD matches what you refer to as the "45 version." This track is (E), with some inconsistent panning to the right on the group vocals (not Paul Jones' lead) but only through the first chorus. The panning gimmick was abandoned at that point.
"45 version" might be an apt description for the track on this album, because it definitely sounds like it was sourced from a vinyl 45.
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Pat Downey
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The "Manfred Mann Album" on Ascot 16015 states stereo on the album cover but it is (E). This was the first LP to include Do Wah Diddy Diddy so all stereo appearances on cd should be listed as either "stereo recreations" or "stereo remix" or even "stereo edit" don't you think? I lean toward "stereo edit" myself.
Edited by Pat Downey on 05 March 2013 at 8:39am
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great catch, Markie. As soon as I listened to a true mono version (I had
never had one in my collection), the different edit leaped out at me.
Another difference I hear is the very first note - the stereo edit starts "hard"
while the mono version starts "soft". Do you know what I am trying to
describe?
Pat, I agree "stereo edit" seems appropriate.
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