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My commercial 45, confirmed as Chattahoochee 628, with deadwax of "CH-
628-A X-808 R2", has a listed time of (2:30) and an actual time of (2:32).
Pat, I only post this info because you have made a notation, next to a couple
of db CDs that run (2:32), stating ":02 longer than any previously released
version." Yet those CDs match up exactly with my 45's timing. To my highly
unofficial ears, my 45 seems to run just a tad slower than the majority of the
CDs that run (2:30) do.
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This 45 seemed to be in print on the same record label and number for at least 15 years.
Jim, is your copy on vinyl or styrene? What is the B side? (it had 4 B sides, Huntington Flats was apparently the 4th B side issued and the one that remained in print the entire time, while the others were available only for a short while -- of those other 3, I've only seen Blue Dress and Comedy And Tragedy a few times but I've never come across one with Bunny Stomp on the B side).
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Tom, mine is on vinyl, with Huntington Flats on the flip. Concerned that Ed
(who himself collects all original Top 40 hits) might not have had an original
45 copy for it, I e-mailed him Tuesday. First, about the fact that, yes,
Chattahoochee 628 copies kept getting pressed up for many years after (I
pointed out an "original version" notation on current 45s), the 4 different flip
sides used, label variations, yada yada. But I didn't post all that on here,
Tom. Because, besides making sure my own copy is original, and that my
timing info is accurate, that other stuff just wasn't of any direct relevance to
the CDs in Pat's db.
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Was this song re-issued at some point? I ask because my
copy, which is a promo is marked "distributed by G.N.P.
Crescendo, which I didn't think existed in 1963. This
copy is styrene, and has "Blue Dress" on the B side.
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GNP Crescendo existed as early as 1957 that i know of....i've never seen the 45 as a promo, wow....however you have a first pressing there....
The order of how the B sides got issued are:
Blue Dress, Bunny Stomp, Comedy And Tragedy, and Huntington Flats.
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I bought a mid-to-late-'70s vintage Chattahoochee 628 vinyl pressing around 1980. It sports the tri-color label design, and aside from Stan Ross losing the "Supervised &" portion of his engineering credit, everything else is still there. The title and credit fonts are most definitely '70s vintage, and the B-side is "Blue Dress", with no writer credit listed (it's credited to Ruth Conte (Yardum, Chattahoochee's owner) on a copy shown on Discogs.
The reason I bought it at the time was that it was a far-better quality pressing than the crackly-at-birth original vinyl copy I had (with "Huntington Flats" on the flip.) It is almost certainly a Wakefield pressing, characterized by the pronounced, LP-like raised outer edge. Phoenix-based Wakefield pressed other boutique California label 45s during the late-'70s, such as Laff and the later Hudson & Landry 45s on Dore, as well as an Oink label re-recording of that label's original version of Elmo & Patsy's "Grandma."
Another oddball late-'70s vintage Wakefield pressing: Robert Preston's 7-inch, 33 1/3 "Chicken Fat", which used the same CF-1000 catalog number as the original 1962 Capitol Custom edition, but replaced the Capitol logo with that of the United States Jaycees, the organization which had been distributing the disc since '62. The title and artist fonts were about as close as anyone could come to matching those of the Keystone Printed Specialties originals, but the mastering of the record, itself, was a bit lacking in the upper frequencies, compared to the Capitol. (As one who was blessed/cursed to have been old enough when this was first issued, I have a real love/hate attitude toward this record. While radio got by with airing the edited 2:12 "disc jockey version" on the flip side, our class had to endure the entire 6:30 "school version" exercise routine daily. It was great fun, but it also got old pretty quickly. Naturally, the seemingly three-ounce tone arms on the school's institutional Califone record players would shred every other record in sight except *that* one.)
When given well-mastered cuttings, Wakefield's 45s were consistently the most durable and quiet of the mid-'70s, in my experience. Most of the Minneapolis-based labels sent their locally-mastered Sound 80 Studio cuttings to Wakefield for pressing, and the quality never disappointed, particularly when it came to resistance to cue burn (as huge of a regional hit as it was around here in '75, I never encountered a cue burned on-air copy of Northern Lights' "Minnesota" on the original Wakefield-pressed Glacier label.) Yet, some of the California-mastered Wakefield pressings I have aren't in the same quietness league.
The Chattahoochee name may have seemed an odd choice for a Southern California-based record label, but owner Ruth Yardum was an Atlanta native. If nothing else, its appearance on "Popsicle"'s 45 labels and station surveys introduced or reinforced the correct spelling for many an impressionable youth.
On the other hand, knowing how often those same surveys mangled label spellings over the years... :)
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Jim my copy of Popsicles Icicles has Huntington Flats on the flip side and ends very abruptly. My comment about some cd's running :02 longer than any previously released version is meant to draw attention to the ending which does not cut off abruptly but continues on briefly with some guitar notes.
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Yes, those Wakefield pressings were superb quality and wore
like iron. Yah Shure, I own a 45 of this identical to yours
and it is a superb 45.
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Revisiting this song, with its appearance on "Hard To Find Jukebox Classics
1963-1964: 29 Amazing Stereo Hits", I must assume that the 45 ends abruptly
as Pat writes, rather than with that (rather nice) extended ending. The
question begs, did any of the 4 issued 45s feature this extended ending? If
not, when did it first appear?
Edited by davidclark on 03 May 2019 at 10:50pm
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My copy has a rather abrupt ending.
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Yah Shure wrote:
I bought a mid-to-late-'70s vintage
Chattahoochee 628 vinyl pressing around 1980. It sports
the tri-color label design, and aside from Stan Ross
losing the "Supervised &" portion of his engineering
credit, everything else is still there. The title and
credit fonts are most definitely '70s vintage, and the
B-side is "Blue Dress", with no writer credit listed
(it's credited to Ruth Conte (Yardum, Chattahoochee's
owner) on a copy shown on Discogs.
The reason I bought it at the time was that it was a
far-better quality pressing than the crackly-at-birth
original vinyl copy I had (with "Huntington Flats" on
the flip.) It is almost certainly a Wakefield pressing,
characterized by the pronounced, LP-like raised outer
edge. Phoenix-based Wakefield pressed other boutique
California label 45s during the late-'70s, such as Laff
and the later Hudson & Landry 45s on Dore, as well as an
Oink label re-recording of that label's original version
of Elmo & Patsy's "Grandma."
Another oddball late-'70s vintage Wakefield pressing:
Robert Preston's 7-inch, 33 1/3 "Chicken Fat", which
used the same CF-1000 catalog number as the original
1962 Capitol Custom edition, but replaced the Capitol
logo with that of the United States Jaycees, the
organization which had been distributing the disc since
'62. The title and artist fonts were about as close as
anyone could come to matching those of the Keystone
Printed Specialties originals, but the mastering of the
record, itself, was a bit lacking in the upper
frequencies, compared to the Capitol. (As one who was
blessed/cursed to have been old enough when this was
first issued, I have a real love/hate attitude toward
this record. While radio got by with airing the edited
2:12 "disc jockey version" on the flip side, our class
had to endure the entire 6:30 "school version" exercise
routine daily. It was great fun, but it also got old
pretty quickly. Naturally, the seemingly three-ounce
tone arms on the school's institutional Califone record
players would shred every other record in sight except
*that* one.)
When given well-mastered cuttings, Wakefield's 45s were
consistently the most durable and quiet of the mid-'70s,
in my experience. Most of the Minneapolis-based labels
sent their locally-mastered Sound 80 Studio cuttings to
Wakefield for pressing, and the quality never
disappointed, particularly when it came to resistance to
cue burn (as huge of a regional hit as it was around
here in '75, I never encountered a cue burned on-air
copy of Northern Lights' "Minnesota" on the original
Wakefield-pressed Glacier label.) Yet, some of the
California-mastered Wakefield pressings I have aren't in
the same quietness league.
The Chattahoochee name may have seemed an odd choice for
a Southern California-based record label, but owner Ruth
Yardum was an Atlanta native. If nothing else, its
appearance on "Popsicle"'s 45 labels and station surveys
introduced or reinforced the correct spelling for many
an impressionable youth.
On the other hand, knowing how often those same surveys
mangled label spellings over the years... :) |
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Re: Chicken Fat. Heard this, the Hap Palmer annoyances
too often in my too many years in special ed. Didn't
like them then, I despised them. Chicken Fat I mind
much less. Your post reminds me of my youth. And my days
as a young DJ, and assistant engineer. My own 45 of
"Popsicles & Icicles" is a late Wakefield pressing. That
is a quiet, flat, centered pressing of superb quality,
well mastered from great tapes.
Edited by KentT on 05 May 2019 at 7:26pm
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