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Posted: 17 January 2005 at 8:56am | IP Logged Quote edtop40
does anyone know if the sped up 45 version of the police's song "roxanne" is available anywhere on cd........so everyone knows........the 45 issued in 1979 on A&M 2096 runs 3:00 in length and is the exact same version as the cd box set version only sped up to run 3:00 while the cd box set version runs 3:10.......can anyone shed any light on this??????

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Posted: 08 May 2006 at 8:31am | IP Logged Quote aaronk
I noticed that the database makes the comment "the LP length is (3:10) while the 45 length is (3:02)," indicating an early fade. Should the comment make note of the speed difference instead?
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Posted: 08 May 2006 at 6:01pm | IP Logged Quote edtop40
there is no early fade, it's is simply a speed issue....a 0:08 speed differential...

Edited by edtop40 on 08 May 2006 at 6:02pm

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Posted: 08 May 2006 at 6:10pm | IP Logged Quote edtop40
aaron....i'm sending you an mp3, now, of the 45, with the sped up version, to see if the cd version can be sped up to match.............thx edtop40

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Posted: 08 May 2006 at 6:22pm | IP Logged Quote sriv94
One question--are the opening notes of "Roxanne" kinda out of tune with the rest of the song (at least that's how it sounds on my Every Breath You Take: The Classics CD)?

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Posted: 08 May 2006 at 6:38pm | IP Logged Quote eric_a
It's always sounded like that to me, too, like the chord shifts up a note....
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Posted: 08 May 2006 at 8:55pm | IP Logged Quote Pat Downey
I just retimed the 45 and came up with the same running time that I report in the database which is (3:02). Then I A/B'd the dj 45 (matrix number 12554-S S1)and found the 45 to be slightly faster than the LP version found on the "Outlandos d"Amour" cd but not fast enough to make up for the :09 timing difference between the 45 and the LP which would have made the single sound like a Chipmunks record if that were true. Then I counted the number of "Roxannes" mentioned on the cd between 2:12 and the end of the song and counted 17 on the cd and 15 on the 45 which to me makes up the majority of the :09 timing difference. Perhaps the commercial single is different from the dj single but I would doubt it. Anyone else wish to count the number of Roxannes on the 45 and LP starting at 2:12????

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Posted: 08 May 2006 at 9:38pm | IP Logged Quote edtop40
ok.......i just listened to the 45 versus the cd box set again and i've revised by analysis........the 45 IS slightly sped up but it does fade out about 0:04 earlier than the box set cd.....i will now agree with what the db states....my error........edtop40


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Posted: 08 May 2006 at 10:38pm | IP Logged Quote Todd Ireland
sriv94 wrote:
One question--are the opening notes of "Roxanne" kinda out of tune with the rest of the song (at least that's how it sounds on my Every Breath You Take: The Classics CD)?
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It's always sounded like that to me, too, like the chord shifts up a note....


Are you referring to the discord during the opening seconds of "Roxanne" where it sounds like someone momentarily slams the piano keys? I heard Sting explain this in a radio interview several years ago. He says the guy who played piano on that recording (I can't remember if he said it was one of the band members or a studio musician) was goofing around and sat on the piano keys and tried to play them with his posterior. This drew a hearty laugh from Sting which is clearly audible in the song's intro. Sting says he liked the spontaneity in that session take and left it intact on the actual recording!
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Posted: 08 May 2006 at 10:38pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk
As far as the first few notes that don't sound right, I mentioned it in another post. There's a mastering problem on the box set and The Classics where the song starts slow and gradually speeds up to the correct speed by about (0:03).
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Posted: 09 May 2006 at 7:32am | IP Logged Quote sriv94
Thanks, Aaron. Somehow I missed that post (which I eventually found).

So it seems to get the right-sounding version, I'll have to nab the Outlandos D'Amour version (then speed it up and fade it about (:04) seconds early to get the 45).

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Posted: 10 May 2006 at 7:19am | IP Logged Quote sriv94
On the other hand, maybe not. Last night I downloaded the Outlandos D'Amour version and the same mastering issue was present (song starts slow and then pitches up to the proper speed at around (0:03)).

Unless this is another case (like the situation of "Dirty White Boy" I detailed earlier) where the actual CD version doesn't match the downloadable version.

Pat, you mentioned having the Outlandos D'Amour CD. Does that CD have that mastering error, or is it in pitch throughout?

Edited by sriv94 on 10 May 2006 at 7:36am

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Posted: 10 May 2006 at 10:51am | IP Logged Quote aaronk
According to the database, the original CD does not have this problem...nor does later issues of The Classics (remastered version).
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Posted: 10 May 2006 at 12:24pm | IP Logged Quote davidclark
and I don't believe my original copy of "Every Breath You Take/The Singles" (purchased 1990) has the problem either, as per Pat's database.

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davidclark wrote:
and I don't believe my original copy of "Every Breath You Take/The Singles" (purchased 1990) has the problem either, as per Pat's database.


I finally got to listen to my copy, a BMG Music Club issue of unknown vintage, and it too does not have the problem.
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Posted: 17 October 2007 at 6:14pm | IP Logged Quote eriejwg
Revisiting this topic, was it a case of:

1) Getting the proper version and fading :04 early?
2) Or, were there edits of where Sting sings Roxanne
and simply 2 were edited out...

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Posted: 17 October 2007 at 6:47pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk
I've never been able to detect any edits. This is just a case of the 45 speed being faster, and the 45 faded a little earlier than the LP. As far as getting the right version, there is not a "wrong" version, but there are some CDs with that mastering error where the tape drags at the beginning.
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