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Couldn't find any threads about this song, so I'll start
one with a question that's been in the back of my mind
for years.
Has anyone ever noticed that on both "Greatest Hits"
from the group, there appears to be what sounds like a
very slight skip after the line, "And you know
we're..."? To my ears, it sounds like the line comes out
as, "And you know we're ANGIN' Tough", with the "H"
being missed and also sounding like the word (h)angin'
comes in a half second too early. I noticed that the
version on "Billboard Top Hits 1989" doesn't have this
issue and an import that I have, "More Hangin' Tough",
also doesn't have this issue. It seems to occur at the
1:35 mark in the song.
Just wondering if anyone else has ever noticed this or
if maybe it's just been my imagination all these years.
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It's not your imagination, but I had never listened to it on Greatest Hits until just now. The song actually does not lose the tempo; it's simply that the first part of the vocal on "hangin'" is muted. I have no idea why that would be. I pulled and checked my promo CD single, and it does not have this error at 1:34.
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1. 7" Edited Version (listed & actual 3:50)
2. 7" Album Version (listed & actual 4:16)
I'm not certain why they label track 2 as 7" Album Version, as this is simply the album version, and as far as I know did not appear on any 7" copies in the US.
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One other thing I noticed about the Greatest Hits version at that point is
that there is no sound effect on the beat and the “(h)angin’” vocal. On
the proper 45 version, there is a sound effect at this point (kind of like a
slow record scratch).
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I have the song from Super Hits and it also may
have the same issue.
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Unfortunately, the 45 version can't be recreated from the
LP version.
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The Time-Life disc Sounds Of The Eighties: The Late '80s Take Two does not have the error.
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FYI:
Time-Life's Sounds Of The Eighties Vol. 20 The Late '80s Take Two (1996) is a differently-EQ'd digital clone of Rhino's Billboard Top Hits 1989 (1994). Both lack the error at 1:34.
Sony's NKOTB Super Hits (2001) is a differently-EQ'd digital clone of Sony's NKOTB Greatest Hits (1999) but is too loud and clips a bit. (GH has excellent dynamic range.) Both have the error at 1:34.
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Is the "7" Edited Version" on the promo CD the same as the 45
version? My memory tells me the 45 was a different mix from the
album version (instrumentation added).
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Yes, you’re right about both. Track 1 on the promo CD is the 45 version,
and it’s remixed compared to the LP version.
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Something else I noticed about this song yesterday:
The 30th Anniversary edition of the Hangin' Tough album has as one of its bonus tracks a version of "Hangin' Tough" called "Tougher Mix". It's basically an extended version of the 7"Remix/Single Version with a few elements of the Album Version thrown in along with a falsetto vocal that's not on either the Album or Single Version. There's also a few bits of instrumentation added, but it's mostly the same as the Single. This version ALSO has the skip I mentioned in my first post, and aside from being on the 30th Anniversary CD, it's also present on the Japenese Import, More Hangin' Tough that was released in 1990 as well. So apparently this skip didn't originate with the 1999 Greatest Hits disc. The "Tougher Mix" is noticeably faster on the 30th Anniversary disc than on More Hangin' Tough as well.
By the way, to clear up any possible confusion with what I mentioned in my first post, the More Hangin' Tough compilation does have the correct 7" Version of "Hangin' Tough" without the skip, but it also includes the "Tougher Mix" with the skip.
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Here's my theory on the "skip," which is truly more of a mixing error. I believe both the "Tougher Mix" and 7" version come from the same "long" remix but are just edited differently. Apparently, when the single was edited from this mix, someone spotted the mixing error at the start of the second chorus. To fix the error, the "hangin'" part from the first chorus was spliced in to replace it, and that's what was used for the actual single. (Notice that on the part with the error there is no "scratch" sound effect over the word "hangin" but there is on the first chorus.) There must, however, be a tape in the vault where the error was not fixed, and that's what was used on the Greatest Hits disc.
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That's what I was thinking too, Aaron. I guess whoever has been putting the 7" Version on their compilations over the years must not be aware of the error. On the other hand, I'm curious as to how the unfixed version would be labelled in the vault, since obviously the Billboard and Time-Life discs use the correct version without the error, so obviously a tape of that exists. Could both tapes possibly be labelled as 7" Version?
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This is odd.
The version on Sony's NKOTB Greatest Hits (1999) is an ever-so-slightly different mix from the version on Rhino's Billboard Top Hits 1989 (1994).
There are differences throughout the song, so it's not just one section that was cut-and-pasted from elsewhere in the song.
The biggest difference I heard is a whooshy sound at 2:19, which comes in a half beat after the snare and the long guitar note. On Billboard, the whooshy sound is panned hard left. On Greatest Hits, it's panned hard right.
At 1:36, over the word "hangin'", there's a scratchy sound on Billboard, which is absent on Greatest Hits.
Most of the other differences seem to be in the panning of the accent elements - a bongo here, a knocky percussion sound there, and so forth. Too many to document, but there are panning differences throughout the song between the two versions. These are easiest to spot by looking at the waveform, where they're relatively easy to spot.
I noticed edit points in BB at 1:33, 2:39, and 2:49.
I noticed edit points in GH at 2:39 and 3:10.
If you're going to do your own comparison between BB and GH, speed up the BB version by 0.29%.
So, I would think that one of these should correspond to the actual 45 and the promo CD single. Can someone check the whooshy sound at 2:19 in the actual 45 and/or the promo CD single?
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If I had to guess, I'd say that the version on Sony's NKOTB Greatest Hits (1999) was remixed from scratch.
In addition to the panning differences in the accent sounds, the GH smooths out an edit at 2:39, coming out of the guitar solo. The BB version returns to the vocals too quickly, so that the beats before and after 2:39 don't line up. The GH fixes that transition.
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FWIW, I don't have the 45 or Promo CD Single, but I do have the Cassette Single and have just listened to it three times. It does NOT have the skip I mentioned in my first post, but it does have the record scratch sound effect and seems to line up with what Ron mentioned about the Billboard disc - the whoosh sound pans hard on the left, and the vocals do seem to come in a hair too quick after the guitar solo. It's probably safe to say that the BB disc is the true 45 version, or at least as close as you can get to it.
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